Where does AO lie on the Political Compass?

[NJPaint]

1st deadeye, the arrests were illegal, look at the case Yik Wo v. California. Though the law may be a legitimate state concern, if used in a discriminatory fashion (as an excuse to get people of a certain minority) the law is invalid.

Though they are illegal aliens, they were persecuted because of their national origin, a suspect class. INS didn't crack down on ALL illegal aliens... Oh wait, Bush wants to make several million of them able to vote and get drivers licences... That seems like unequal application of laws... (arabs get rounded up... mexicans get drivers licences...)

[NJPaint]

Its the exact same thing as the death penalty. I am not against state execution of prisoners who have commited agregious crimes against the state and other citizens. However, statistical analysis has shown over and over again that the assignment of the death penalty is extremely racist. THIS I have a problem with.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by NJPaint
1st deadeye, the arrests were illegal, look at the case Yik Wo v. California. Though the law may be a legitimate state concern, if used in a discriminatory fashion (as an excuse to get people of a certain minority) the law is invalid.

Though they are illegal aliens, they were persecuted because of their national origin, a suspect class. INS didn't crack down on ALL illegal aliens... Oh wait, Bush wants to make several million of them able to vote and get drivers licences... That seems like unequal application of laws... (arabs get rounded up... mexicans get drivers licences...)

Except that all of those arrested in the sweeps were illegal and most were deported legally.

Now as for the hispanic illegals, the INS does raid businesses and job sites to arrest and deport them. Maybe they should have been crying descrimination first as they were the 1st priority of the INS until Sept 11th.

You can NEVER justify to me that arresting illegals in America is illegal! Think about it.

Can you post a link? All I find is the case of Yik Wo Vs. Hopkins. That was a case about trying to regulate minorities in minority dominated businesses.

Here is what I found: Link.

No that case says unequal application of the law is illegal, but it was in regards to behavior that was legal to being with, namely the running of Chinese Laundries. The underlying reason for the sweeps was that these persons were ILLEGALLY in the United States. Think about it. How can you argue that arresting any criminal (yes, illegal aliens are criminals as it is a criminal act to enter the United States illegally) is illegal? Your argument doesn't hold water!!!!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by NJPaint
Its the exact same thing as the death penalty. I am not against state execution of prisoners who have commited agregious crimes against the state and other citizens. However, statistical analysis has shown over and over again that the assignment of the death penalty is extremely racist. THIS I have a problem with.

No it is not. You are defending illegal behavior when you say arresting illegal aliens is discriminatory.

As for the death penalty. let's not go there. It is racist according to whom? Look at who does the studies. Amnesty Int'l, Liberal Interest Groups, yeah they are impartial!

You know NJ got a bad rap for racial profiling. NJ Troopers were accused of targeting minorities because more blacks got tickets then other races. When Rutgers set out to study and prove this, they proved the opposite. They set up radar cameras along the NJ Turnpike. They captured 50,000 speeders who were then analyzed for race. Guess what? Minorities made up almost 35% of the speeders on the turnpike during the study compared to about 10% of the states populace. These results were decried and dismissed by the liberal houndogs trying to extort a settlement from NJ. Think about that.

[NJPaint]

I'll argue later, gotta finish up some stuff first, but for now, here is the chart so far...

AO on the Political Compass:




Edit: ignore the red dot in the upper left corner, that was an accident that I will remove with the first update :-p

[Restola]

lol!

farthest right!

although a bunch of people kicked my butt when it came to libertarianism and thats my party

[Rooster]

"Though they are illegal aliens, they were persecuted because of their national origin, a suspect class. INS didn't crack down on ALL illegal aliens... Oh wait, Bush wants to make several million of them able to vote and get drivers licences... That seems like unequal application of laws... (arabs get rounded up... mexicans get drivers licences...)"

How many Mexicans have flown planes into buildings in the last three years? A group of arabs declared war on us. If non-citizen Arabs have to suffer some inequalities becuase their kin are psycopaths, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. They arn't citizens, and if they had any sense, they would get out of this country quick, because I'm not going to cry for them if they sit in a 10x10 cell for the rest of their lives.

[NJPaint]

so much for our 14th ammendment

[Kai]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
I'll agree with you here. However, the arrests and detention was ultimately legal. Had these people been arrested without any legal basis I could agree with you totally, but they were here illegally, so they reaped what they sewed.

I don't think anyone can deny that, technically, it was all legal.

You are defending illegal behavior when you say arresting illegal aliens is discriminatory.

While the initial arrests may not have been "discriminatory", their treatment on the inside most deffinately was.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Rooster
"Though they are illegal aliens, they were persecuted because of their national origin, a suspect class. INS didn't crack down on ALL illegal aliens... Oh wait, Bush wants to make several million of them able to vote and get drivers licences... That seems like unequal application of laws... (arabs get rounded up... mexicans get drivers licences...)"

How many Mexicans have flown planes into buildings in the last three years? A group of arabs declared war on us. If non-citizen Arabs have to suffer some inequalities becuase their kin are psycopaths, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. They arn't citizens, and if they had any sense, they would get out of this country quick, because I'm not going to cry for them if they sit in a 10x10 cell for the rest of their lives.

lol let's ignore that tim mcveigh was responsible for the oklahoma city bombing. i could claim just as easily that his kin (white southerners) are psychotic because of his act. let's round up some rednecks because one was a little psychotic!

[Rooster]

His kin are citizens. A very distinct difference. Unfortunately for our country, we have grown a crop of children that are unable to dicern the difference in being a citizen of a country, and breaking the law to enter one. But its nice to know you still can't come up with a rubuttal to save your life.

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by Rooster
His kin are citizens. A very distinct difference. Unfortunately for our country, we have grown a crop of children that are unable to dicern the difference in being a citizen of a country, and breaking the law to enter one. But its nice to know you still can't come up with a rubuttal to save your life.

The hubris of the ignorant

[Indigo]

Economic L/R:0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:2.46

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Rooster
His kin are citizens. A very distinct difference. Unfortunately for our country, we have grown a crop of children that are unable to dicern the difference in being a citizen of a country, and breaking the law to enter one. But its nice to know you still can't come up with a rubuttal to save your life.

none of the 9/11 terrorists were here legally then, huh? pfft.

[shartley]

Originally posted by impostal22


none of the 9/11 terrorists were here legally then, huh? pfft.