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  • 1stdeadeye
    Still around????
    • Jun 2002
    • 8501
    #106
    Originally posted by impostal22
    and you're taking that to an extreme. the full faith and credit clause doesn't mean just cuz mass legalizes gay unions, that the other states have to. just look at prostitution in nevada. is it legal ANYWHERE but nevada? no. know why? cuz the full faith and credit clause doesn't mean what you thought it meant, thankfully:)
    No I am not. Does Nevada give hookers a license? No, but your Driver's license is honoered in every state. A marraige is just that, a court document that once you receive it, it has to be honored by every other state in the union.

    Article IV of the U S Constitution

    Please read it. This is what the gay marraige activists are hanging their hopes on. Once one state legalizes it, that is it. Gays can go their, get legally married and then are legally married anywhere in the US.

    BTW...If you get married in Vegas, are you leaglly married no matter where you live in the US? The answer is yes unless you are Brittany Spears!

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      • impostal22
        disgruntled...
        • Apr 2003
        • 1623
        #107
        Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


        No I am not. Does Nevada give hookers a license? No, but your Driver's license is honoered in every state. A marraige is just that, a court document that once you receive it, it has to be honored by every other state in the union.

        Article IV of the U S Constitution

        Please read it. This is what the gay marraige activists are hanging their hopes on. Once one state legalizes it, that is it. Gays can go their, get legally married and then are legally married anywhere in the US.

        BTW...If you get married in Vegas, are you leaglly married no matter where you live in the US? The answer is yes unless you are Brittany Spears!
        i thought you were implying that now every state has to allow gays to marry in their state. i wish freud were still alive to tell all you homophobes why you're the way you are...and if you aren't homophobic, then what's the dilly?

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          • 1stdeadeye
            Still around????
            • Jun 2002
            • 8501
            #108
            Originally posted by impostal22


            i thought you were implying that now every state has to allow gays to marry in their state. i wish freud were still alive to tell all you homophobes why you're the way you are...and if you aren't homophobic, then what's the dilly?
            No. Other states will not have to conduct marriages but would have to honor the marraiges from Mass.

            Homophobe is a loaded term. You are implying that we a bigots, etc... Maybe some of us believe in the rule of law. Don't like the law, change it! Don't circumvent our Democracy to force your will on us. Democracy is about majority rule, not minority tyranny.

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              • FactsOfLife
                Conservative Jihadi
                • May 2002
                • 2504
                #109
                Originally posted by impostal22


                i thought you were implying that now every state has to allow gays to marry in their state. i wish freud were still alive to tell all you homophobes why you're the way you are...and if you aren't homophobic, then what's the dilly?

                Right, everyone that disagrees with a homosexual lifestyle is a homophobe.


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                  • MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
                    Another One Bites The Dust
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 2246
                    #110
                    Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


                    No. Other states will not have to conduct marriages but would have to honor the marraiges from Mass.

                    Homophobe is a loaded term. You are implying that we a bigots, etc... Maybe some of us believe in the rule of law. Don't like the law, change it! Don't circumvent our Democracy to force your will on us. Democracy is about majority rule, not minority tyranny.
                    If you don't like circumventing democracy.

                    Then why not be against the Patriot Act, it disregards the system of checks and balances in many instances
                    Love Will Tear Us Apart

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                      • 1stdeadeye
                        Still around????
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 8501
                        #111
                        Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


                        If you don't like circumventing democracy.

                        Then why not be against the Patriot Act, it disregards the system of checks and balances in many instances
                        Yet it is a law. It was crafted and passed through both houses of our legislature. Then signed by the President as per our constitution. All according to the law.

                        If it goes to far as some suggest, then the Federal Courts can strike all or parts of it down. However that is their job. Writing new law is the job of Congess. This is not too tough a concept to grasp.

                        Legislature-Makes Laws
                        Executive-Enforces Laws
                        Judiciary-Interprets laws (note: Not make them)

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                          • MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
                            Another One Bites The Dust
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 2246
                            #112
                            Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


                            Yet it is a law. It was crafted and passed through both houses of our legislature. Then signed by the President as per our constitution. All according to the law.

                            If it goes to far as some suggest, then the Federal Courts can strike all or parts of it down. However that is their job. Writing new law is the job of Congess. This is not too tough a concept to grasp.

                            Legislature-Makes Laws
                            Executive-Enforces Laws
                            Judiciary-Interprets laws (note: Not make them)
                            But why did it pass?

                            Is it because, the bill was 342 pages long, and many senators and congressmen were too lazy to read all of it.

                            Or that Bush basically said if you go against this bill you are un-patriotic. And we all know that is bad for a politicians career.
                            Love Will Tear Us Apart

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                              • Albinonewt
                                Team Icky Forest
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 2456
                                #113
                                Originally posted by impostal22
                                i thought you were implying that now every state has to allow gays to marry in their state. i wish freud were still alive to tell all you homophobes why you're the way you are...and if you aren't homophobic, then what's the dilly?
                                You're ignoring something very important.

                                That most people that complain about gay marriages are religious, to one degree or another, and that marriage is really the most important foundation in most religions. ALso that those religions typically consider the gay lifestyle to be a sin.

                                What the courts are doing is forcing one person's homosexuality into another person's very deeply held spiritual beliefs. Now, I'm not saying whose right and whose wrong, but how can we advocate that forcing of one person's will on another?
                                Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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                                  • 1stdeadeye
                                    Still around????
                                    • Jun 2002
                                    • 8501
                                    #114
                                    Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


                                    But why did it pass?

                                    Is it because, the bill was 342 pages long, and many senators and congressmen were too lazy to read all of it.

                                    Or that Bush basically said if you go against this bill you are un-patriotic. And we all know that is bad for a politicians career.
                                    LOL!

                                    So your problem is that your elected reps didn't do their job? Then vote them out! That is how a democracy works.

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                                      • Albinonewt
                                        Team Icky Forest
                                        • Apr 2003
                                        • 2456
                                        #115
                                        Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
                                        If you don't like circumventing democracy.

                                        Then why not be against the Patriot Act, it disregards the system of checks and balances in many instances
                                        Because the Patriot act A) does not violate democracy in any way, B) was voted on by members of both houses and won with huge margains, and C) is supported by the majority of Americans.

                                        The myth of the patriot act is beginning to annoy me. For the most part all it does is extend police powers that were already in affect for mob prosecutions to terrorist prosecutions.

                                        I'm getting tired of people overreacting to it without cause.
                                        Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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                                          • MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
                                            Another One Bites The Dust
                                            • Feb 2003
                                            • 2246
                                            #116
                                            Originally posted by Albinonewt


                                            You're ignoring something very important.

                                            That most people that complain about gay marriages are religious, to one degree or another, and that marriage is really the most important foundation in most religions. ALso that those religions typically consider the gay lifestyle to be a sin.

                                            What the courts are doing is forcing one person's homosexuality into another person's very deeply held spiritual beliefs. Now, I'm not saying whose right and whose wrong, but how can we advocate that forcing of one person's will on another?
                                            It really isn't forcing this belief on the religions. As long as it is a completely governmental union.

                                            And you also must remember are country is based on seperation of church and state.
                                            Love Will Tear Us Apart

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                                              • 1stdeadeye
                                                Still around????
                                                • Jun 2002
                                                • 8501
                                                #117
                                                Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


                                                It really isn't forcing this belief on the religions. As long as it is a completely governmental union.

                                                And you also must remember are country is based on seperation of church and state.
                                                It isn't called a governmental union though is it?

                                                They already have that in Vermont and no great uproar there eh?

                                                How long til a gay couple sues a church to allow them to wed there. Slippery slope.

                                                Want to change the law, fine. Do it the right way. Not the shady way!

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                                                  • Albinonewt
                                                    Team Icky Forest
                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                    • 2456
                                                    #118
                                                    [QUOTE]Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
                                                    It really isn't forcing this belief on the religions. As long as it is a completely governmental union.

                                                    Which is why I'm ok with civil unions and not marriage

                                                    And you also must remember are country is based on seperation of church and state.

                                                    And that's why I don't support the government telling the church that it HAS to marry gay couples.
                                                    Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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                                                      • MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
                                                        Another One Bites The Dust
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 2246
                                                        #119
                                                        well newt we agree

                                                        remember this moment, a day a liberal agrees with a conservative on AO
                                                        Love Will Tear Us Apart

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                                                          • MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
                                                            Another One Bites The Dust
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 2246
                                                            #120
                                                            Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


                                                            LOL!

                                                            So your problem is that your elected reps didn't do their job? Then vote them out! That is how a democracy works.
                                                            I can't
                                                            Love Will Tear Us Apart

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