Where does AO lie on the Political Compass?

[shartley]

You are welcome.

[Restola]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Lies.

I can't wait until I'm king...then I'll defend the Constitution with an iron fist! And destroy you all!

[Fixion]

Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56

Wow, I'm almost in the middle.

[Rooster]

"It's easy to say "I don't explain because such and such side refuses to listen" and in some instances it's correct. However, if you won't explain then there's no point in saying anything in the first place. What possible good does it do anyone if I state "John Kerry will be destoyed in November" if I don't add "because he's scored higher on the liberal meter then Ted Kennedy and his war record is no shield against his blatantly anti-security voting record"? Debate is the exchange of ideas, not the spouting of sound bites."

I don't debate people I do not respect. I'm not here to debate ideas. I'm here to deflate ignorant ideas and beliefs. Poltical correctness has nothing to do with staying within the confines of the rules. What possible good does it do? It means I'm not letting someone spout their inane platitudes without challenge. If you say grass grows purple, I'm going to say it doesn't, and its moronic to think so. If you say redistribution of wealth is good for all, I'm going to say it's not, and its moronic to think so.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by Rooster


I don't debate people I do not respect. I'm not here to debate ideas. I'm here to deflate ignorant ideas and beliefs. Poltical correctness has nothing to do with staying within the confines of the rules. What possible good does it do? It means I'm not letting someone spout their inane platitudes without challenge. If you say grass grows purple, I'm going to say it doesn't, and its moronic to think so. If you say redistribution of wealth is good for all, I'm going to say it's not, and its moronic to think so.

Do you ever actually debate anyone.

Because you say you only debate people you respect, but it seems the only people you respect are the ones that share your beliefs.

[Rooster]

Sure; I just did, in fact.

[Kai]

Rooster...

You are, to the right, what Collegeboy was to the left.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
It's easy to say "I don't explain because such and such side refuses to listen" and in some instances it's correct. However, if you won't explain then there's no point in saying anything in the first place. What possible good does it do anyone if I state "John Kerry will be destoyed in November" if I don't add "because he's scored higher on the liberal meter then Ted Kennedy and his war record is no shield against his blatantly anti-security voting record"? Debate is the exchange of ideas, not the spouting of sound bites.

And you do have a reason to be nice. This is a community, and it's our community. The other guys may be liberals, and thus in your (and my) view of a lower grasp of reality then they should be, but they are OUR liberals. And as members of our community they deserve a certain level of respect and deference. Not because of their opinions, but simply for being a part of our community.

And there is a reason to be politcally correct. Because the forum has rules and we should observe the rules. The mods are pretty good about giving us leeway, but we shouldn't take that for granted.

exactly what i've been saying. it's good to see someone on his side of the spectrum speaking up. thanks.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by Kai
Rooster...

You are, to the right, what Collegeboy was to the left.

I disagree. I understand what Rooster is saying, however I would argue that bringing up what is "correct" to those who cannot understand why it is "correct" is as pointless as trying to explain it to the audience in question. All it does is make people angry, and makes them more fervent in the defense of their ignorance. It is time better spent in making people follow policy, rather than justifying what is justified... in a mob rule fashion. This is a democracy after all.

[Crime Dog]

Albinonewt...great post. That was refreshing to read.

Miscue...seem like a really level headed guy. Also refreshing to read what you post...

There's a few proverbs out there about how it's pointless to argue with a "fool." I think that those proverbs could be applied to those on the arrogant left...AND the arrogant right...

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Kai
Rooster...

You are, to the right, what Collegeboy was to the left.

Ouch!

Kai that was low. Even for you! I would never compare anyone here on AO to CB, except maybe StarbaseCGI!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by impostal22


there you're arguing democrats v. republicans, not the ideals of each side of the political spectrum.

No, this is excatly what I meant. Look at the Green Party and other ultra liberal groups. They use the courts to get their way because they know they can not win in the legislature. They are trying to create tyranny by the minority ratehr then rule by the majority. It is not a Dem Vs. Rep thing, it is a right vs left thing.

i agree completely with what you said, because in reality, the two parties are NOT different at all. democrats whine way too much without doing anything about it. republicans act too much without thinking about it. both suck, we need some third party action

Well not sure I agree with you. 3rd parties play spoiler and that is it. Perot cost Bush I his re-election and Nader cost Gore his election (THANK YOU NADER!!!!!! ). The reason being that most 3rd parties are 1 trick ponies. They have one issue and nothing else. To be a true party, a player if you will, you need to be able to address many issues. The Dems and Reps can do this. The others can't and thus ultimately failed or will fail.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Miscue


I disagree. I understand what Rooster is saying, however I would argue that bringing up what is "correct" to those who cannot understand why it is "correct" is as pointless as trying to explain it to the audience in question. All it does is make people angry, and makes them more fervent in the defense of their ignorance. It is time better spent in making people follow policy, rather than justifying what is justified... in a mob rule fashion. This is a democracy after all.

lol. and it doesn't make people angry when you belittle them for not agreeing with you? putting others down because they don't agree with you doesn't enforce policy. if the government did that, they'd have a real hard time keeping order. notice how what rooster is doing is angering people on both sides of the spectrum? it just don't work.

1st- i think the only reason the democrats would be relying on the courts now is because of the republican majority in congress. and with all of the stupid things out there that congressmen can do to stop a bill from being passed, i would suggest going through the courts, too. using the courts to do policy is probably much more efficient than going through the legislature. if you study all the steps required to pass a law, it's ridiculous how many obstacles there are and how easily it can create gridlock. also, it isn't democratic legislators going to the courts, it's just people. and liberal courts have been making a few "out there" decisions, which benefit the democrats.

and you're right about third parties. they tend to just rob others of votes, rather than make a point. i think it's not only cuz they've basically got 1 issue, it's because they also don't have the funding that the democrats and republicans have access to. and money, believe it or not
, plays a big role. it won't guarantee a win, but you gotta have lots of $$$ to be elected.

and if democrats and republicans actually stayed closer to their respective sides of the spectrum, maybe things would be different. but they don't. both stay centrist, because the majority of the population is centrist. plus, you get to benefit from those who lean only a little left and right if you're centrist. that's why, for the most part, the two parties are literally identical. they only differ on like two issues and that's gun control and abortion. basically everything else one party promotes, you'll hear the other side promoting, too. because politicians are a bunch of
butt kissers who try to please everyone.

[daveymag]

econ: -3.5
social: -5.03

[dropkick1]

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

anarchy is our only solution.

kenny