What KIND of a COUNTRY do we live in......

[shartley]

Originally posted by impostal22


we changed the criteria for who could vote in this country..twice. we change criteria when we realize the previous criteria was unconstitutional. and by saying only men and women can marry eachother, you are violating gays' first amendment rights. get rid of ALL the other BS, and look at constitutionality. it's unconstitutional to have marriage laws that deny gays the right to marry.

first amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

marriage...a law respecting an establishment of religion

= contradiction.

marriage as a legal bonding shouldn't have come to fruition in the first place, since it blatantly violates the first amendment.

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by shartley

sure it cuts both ways, but if there is no real advatage why have it? simply put, they are being denied something that is available to others.

why should there be different rules for different people. Seperate is not equal, history tells us that.

why do it for homosexuals, cause if you don't it's discrimination plain and simple.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Thordic
The only positive thing gay people have contributed to society is lesbian porn.

LOL!!!

That is quite funny!

and true!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by impostal22


you didn't answer my question.

your question is MOOT.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by wyn1370

sure it cuts both ways, but if there is no real advatage why have it? simply put, they are being denied something that is available to others.

It is available to others for the simple fact they DO follow the accepted norms. You want your own rules because you don't like the ones already in the game? Fine, go start your own game. Marriage is and ALWAYS has been the union of a MAN and a WOMAN. It's been part of the Judeo-Christian culture since it's beginning. the fact that a certain part of the population doesn't like that is tough nuts for them. The fact that the homosexuals want the rules changed to suit THEIR wants is nonsense. It's also an attack on those same Judeo-Christian beliefs. you talk about tolerance or the lack of it on the right, where's the tolerance for thousands of years of culture by the left?????????


why should there be different rules for different people. Seperate is not equal, history tells us that.

it's not? says who? Again, you want the rules bent or modified to fit your particular wants, go make your own game up. Don't ask to change what a majority of people don't want changed.


why do it for homosexuals? cause if you don't it's discrimination plain and simple.

Ooohhhhhhh the D word. Horsecrap. He created marriage, who are you to change that?

[shartley]

Originally posted by wyn1370
sure it cuts both ways, but if there is no real advatage why have it? simply put, they are being denied something that is available to others.

Originally posted by wyn1370
why should there be different rules for different people. Seperate is not equal, history tells us that.

What about bathrooms? What about living quarters for the military or in dorms? Again, I can list example after example where separate but equal does NOT have the negative connotations you are trying to link to the term. And that actually works rather well, for many reasons.

Originally posted by wyn1370
why do it for homosexuals, cause if you don't it's discrimination plain and simple.

[spantol]

FactsOfLife:

The concept of marriage predates the Judeo-Christian culture. It was present in a number of pre-J/C polytheistic cultures, in fact.

[shartley]

Originally posted by spantol
FactsOfLife:

The concept of marriage predates the Judeo-Christian culture. It was present in pre-J/C polytheistic culture.

[spantol]

Yup--nothing wrong with mentioning one's own individual beliefs, in the context of one's own individual opinion. It's when one tries to subject others to their own personal beliefs that things get dicey.

Originally posted by shartley

This is true, that is why I personally try to not bring it up in the discussions. I only mentioned it when asked about the reasons for MY personal beliefs.

(I know you were not talking about my post?. I was just reiterating your thoughts.)

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by spantol
FactsOfLife:

The concept of marriage predates the Judeo-Christian culture. It was present in a number of pre-J/C polytheistic cultures, in fact.

I understand this, I'm talking about in the context of THIS society.

[redzone]

We live in the best fricken country on the planet

oorah!

[impostal22]

Originally posted by shartley [/B]

there are certain degrees of constitutional discrimination. and that's the point. many believe discriminating against those who simply have different sexual preferences and do not harm anyone by having them is unconstitutional.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by spantol
Yup--nothing wrong with mentioning one's own individual beliefs, in the context of one's own individual opinion. It's when one tries to subject others to their own personal beliefs that things get dicey.

and this is THE essential part of this. The J/C culture that exists in this country for the most part does NOT attempt to subject the homosexual culture to their mores.

In fact, it's exactly the other way round, the homosexual culture has repeatedly attempted to subvert the J/C culture to thier own ideas.

[shartley]

Originally posted by spantol
Yup--nothing wrong with mentioning your own individual beliefs, in the context of your own individual opinion. It's when you try to subject others to them that things get dicey.

I agree. That is why I only mentioned it when specifically ASKED about why I feel the way I do personally.

And in general, since this issue crosses many religious and cultural lines (and the are all pretty much the SAME ironically ), and going back thousands of years, the mention of any particular religious belief is not even needed.

[spantol]

Gotcha--I missed a few of the intervening posts that established the context.

I brought it up largely because a few days ago Bill O'Reilly made the claim that marriage was a Judeo-Christian invention. Was quite a head-scratcher at the time.

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


I understand this, I'm talking about in the context of THIS society.