bush's motives?

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
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Thats the problem if you let terroists get away with ish they try to take more. Hence 9-11

Bush just had the oppurtunity and the bawlz to take action.

It's been shown that the administration knew something was gonna happen. They were handed info from over seas including the names and pictures of a couple of the terrorists. They had a chance to detour but didn't act. Also if you look at this approval % before 9-11 it wasn't all that great. After 9-11 it was and I feel it was due to the public being upset over 9-11 and the thought of justice being done. So in a sense your right but only after the gov't messed up. To also blame it on Clinton is something I find funny. People always blame the previous administration for EVERYTHING. Clinton did his good and bad things. Just like Daddy Bush and "W" are doing. As far as his motives I see his speeches always ending quiet similar to this. "Terrorist terrorist, 9-11, 9-11... god bless america."

[Buff]

ya bush new

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
To also blame it on Clinton is something I find funny. People always blame the previous administration for EVERYTHING. Clinton did his good and bad things.

Oh? And what exactly did he accomplish during his term as President on the terrorism front?

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


Oh? And what exactly did he accomplish during his term as President on the terrorism front?

I for one don't know what Clinton did "on the terrorism front." I wasn't saying Clinton did anything good on the terrorism front. In fact I wasn't even refering to the terrorism when I said that Clinton did some good and bad things. I'm talking straight forward here. Get the Conservative/Liberal views out of the way and look at both spectrums. Not every president is perfect and all have made their own mistakes. The fact that Bush Administration knew Al Queda was gonna attack somewhere and that it possibly would involve the "icons" of the U.S and yet did nothing to even alert the Air Force or Airlines is rediculious. The best deterant is being always on your toes. If someone says to you they are gonna go shoot up a school and you don't warn anyone about it, your responsible for those that lose their lives. Where as if you tell someone the possibility it can be prevented.

I see in 10 years, we will get a great deal of the truth, as to what happened on 9/11/01.

All I gots to say is Real Eyes, Real Lies ... REALIZE! We the people of the US have been lied to before and I personally feel we are getting the same scoop now.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
The fact that Bush Administration knew Al Queda was gonna attack somewhere and that it possibly would involve the "icons" of the U.S and yet did nothing to even alert the Air Force or Airlines is rediculious. The best deterant is being always on your toes. If someone says to you they are gonna go shoot up a school and you don't warn anyone about it, your responsible for those that lose their lives. Where as if you tell someone the possibility it can be prevented.

A few points of interest.

1) 9/11 happened just under eight months into the Bush presidency.

This means what? Well bush was having to pretty much deal with what clinton left. That consisted of slashed intelligence operations, cut defense spending, and an etheral warning that Al Qaida was threating to attack....sometime.....somewhere.

Also be reminded that Bush approved a plan to move against Al-Qaida just a week before 9/11 occured.

2) The FBI and FAA had issued warnings starting in the summer of 2001 regarding attacks on americans.

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by ShooterJM


A few points of interest.

1) 9/11 happened just under eight months into the Bush presidency.

This means what? Well bush was having to pretty much deal with what clinton left. That consisted of slashed intelligence operations, cut defense spending, and an etheral warning that Al Qaida was threating to attack....sometime.....somewhere.

Also be reminded that Bush approved a plan to move against Al-Qaida just a week before 9/11 occured.

2) The FBI and FAA had issued warnings starting in the summer of 2001 regarding attacks on americans.

Let me also point out that hundreds of people died in buildings that weren't even notified of the possible attack. Eight months is a decent amount of time none the less. Let's say I had been principal of a school for 8 months and a shooting occured. Does that mean I could blame the previous princial for "lack of intelligence". They had known that Al Queda was gonna strike for many months prior to the 9/11. Although it was a vague report it wasn't treated like it should have been. For example after the 2nd plane hit the tower, the airforce base (langley) near the white house and Pentagon weren't even able to scramble any fighters to protect the victims of the Pentagon crash. Even though there was a hour time between the attacks. Why is that? They have 3 full squads that should be always ready in case of such an emergency. It wasn't til after the Pentagon attack that they got planes in the air.

Now I understand that Clinton did some cuts. What I'm saying is instead of taking blame or even PARTIAL blame they are pointing fingers like little kids saying... he started it. 8 months is a long time. That's over HALF A YEAR. Your telling me that within the 9 months of your presidency you don't have control? You don't know what's going on in the world around you? My point is that Bush had knowledge of the "events" and failed to act responsibly. But let me guess. It's Clinton's fault that BUSH didn't come through.

[shartley]

Originally posted by RoadDawg


Let me also point out that hundreds of people died in buildings that weren't even notified of the possible attack. Eight months is a decent amount of time none the less. Let's say I had been principal of a school for 8 months and a shooting occured. Does that mean I could blame the previous princial for "lack of intelligence". They had known that Al Queda was gonna strike for many months prior to the 9/11. Although it was a vague report it wasn't treated like it should have been. For example after the 2nd plane hit the tower, the airforce base (langley) near the white house and Pentagon weren't even able to scramble any fighters to protect the victims of the Pentagon crash. Even though there was a hour time between the attacks. Why is that? They have 3 full squads that should be always ready in case of such an emergency. It wasn't til after the Pentagon attack that they got planes in the air.

Now I understand that Clinton did some cuts. What I'm saying is instead of taking blame or even PARTIAL blame they are pointing fingers like little kids saying... he started it. 8 months is a long time. That's over HALF A YEAR. Your telling me that within the 9 months of your presidency you don't have control? You don't know what's going on in the world around you? My point is that Bush had knowledge of the "events" and failed to act responsibly. But let me guess. It's Clinton's fault that BUSH didn't come through.

[RoadDawg]

Ok. Let me clarify it more for you Sam. The previous principal has recieved word that a student is gonna shoot up the school next year for whatever reason. Now that principal get's canned/moved whatever and never bothers to tell the new administrative person. Now that kid goes and DOES shoot up the school. People say that the Principal (much like the president are responsible for their school/country). Now people are out to take down the principal. How is it any different. It's on different levels yes but people DIED and it COULD of been prevented. That is what I meant. And obviously you stuck with the "poor analogy" and didn't finish the rest of the post. Was there a reason Shartley? Maybe your to stubborn to see another person point of view?

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by ShooterJM
Also be reminded that Bush approved a plan to move against Al-Qaida just a week before 9/11 occured.

2) The FBI and FAA had issued warnings starting in the summer of 2001 regarding attacks on americans.

I quoted myself for two reasons. The first, is purely vanity. I mean, come on, who doesn't like to see themselves quoted. Look, I even used a parentheses! Anyway.

The second reason is I think you missed out on the two tidbits of information.

The first being that there was a plan approved in place to deal with the Al-Qaida threat.

The second being that there were warning issued.

You mentioned that the people in the towers weren't warned. Are you serious?

Ok, so Bush in 8 months takes control of the country, gets briefed, formulates a plan and approves it. Clinton does nothing for 8 years with the same threat. And it's bush's fault that the country was unprepared?


Forgive me a cruel chuckle....heheeheeheheheheh

[ShooterJM]

The previous principal has recieved word that a student has been threating to shoot up the school at some point in the future for whatever reason. Now after eight years of warnings that principal gets canned/moved whatever and never bothers to tell the new administrative person or implement any type of plan to deal with it. The new principal investigates, puts in place a plan to deal with the threat, but shortly thereafter that kid goes and DOES shoot up the school.

Fixed.

[1stdeadeye]

Uhm what did Clinton do? He let Osama Bin Laden go after the Sudan handed him over. He did not strike Al Queda back after the Embassy Bombings in Africa. After getting away with that crime free and clear, it emboldened them to strike America harder and closer to home!

Clinton should have rolled Afghanistan after the Embassy Bombings and the attack on the USS Cole. Massive retaliation then would not have allowed them plan or execute 9/11!!!!!

9/11 was not planned in under 8 months. The terorists had to go to flight school for christs sake! The intelligence community had chatter, no definative answer, so to suggest that Bush knew is ludacris!!

[shartley]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
Ok. Let me clarify it more for you Sam. The previous principal has recieved word that a student is gonna shoot up the school next year for whatever reason. Now that principal get's canned/moved whatever and never bothers to tell the new administrative person. Now that kid goes and DOES shoot up the school. People say that the Principal (much like the president are responsible for their school/country). Now people are out to take down the principal. How is it any different. It's on different levels yes but people DIED and it COULD of been prevented. That is what I meant. And obviously you stuck with the "poor analogy" and didn't finish the rest of the post. Was there a reason Shartley? Maybe your to stubborn to see another person point of view?

[RoadDawg]

No I didn't miss those two points. By the people being warned I meant the American public. The public had NO IDEA anything like this would happen. If the gov't had said anything about the possibilities of an attack, which they had knowledge of,(much like the Terror Alert system of today) who knows what would've happend. The plan was against the Taliban. Which previously Bush was trying to get oil from. He was threatening war against them if they did not go thru with the deal. (In the process of searching for the article, when found I'll post it)

If Bush has nothing to hide then why was he against the idea of a 9/11 panel? He's obviously got something under his shoe. It can't be cause he doesn't want to remind the public of 9/11 cause he does that every speech. None the less Clinton must of done something cause nothing happened on American soil. Correct? Plus he was re-elected for a 2nd term (which unfortunatly the Lewinsky aspect got more media then other things the president did). Now either way I don't think I need to defend Clinton because his terms are over and whatever damage has been done is done. Since Clinton was out of office for 8 months does that mean it's his fault for 9/11? No it's Bush's fault cause whatever plan he had did NOTHING. Anyhow. I see way to many threads going political. Original Question was what is Bush's policies. I answered my peace and now it's getting off track.

[shartley]

[Buff]

For example after the 2nd plane hit the tower, the airforce base (langley) near the white house and Pentagon weren't even able to scramble any fighters to protect the victims of the Pentagon crash. Even though there was a hour time between the attacks. Why is that? They have 3 full squads that should be always ready in case of such an emergency. It wasn't til after the Pentagon attack that they got planes in the air.

I dont think u came from a military family.....
I group up on Air force bases......heres some info
Previous to 9-11 our air defence fighters were prepared to meet an attack from outside the US. It was not until the military was able to figure out that this was an attack that they scrambled. After that NORAD took over. If the 4th plane had tried to get the WH, it would have been shot down.

I think its also worthy to note that F-15's from NJ(I Think), were already in the air before the second tower was hit.

And for those who want an investigation;
would u like stoopid senators and and whatna going through classified info? Some of u dont understand what actually goes on, and what we here.

reddawg, I can tell ur from cali:P