bush's motives?

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife



Then we have absolutely nothing to fear. That pen would give up the instant anyone made a threatening move with it.

Thats probably what saved us when the guy tried to light his shoe on fire... BIC Lighter...

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by bokraham
the 1984 comment remark I made had nothing to do with a totalitarian goverenment. I meant the bush is using war to make us forget how else he is screwing up. We lost interest in the Afganistan war, so he started another one. Now i'm not saying that this is the reason that we went to war AT ALL, however it may, MAY have been one of bush's subconcious or even concious secreat motives. Another thing that has to do with 1984 is how big brother used propaganda like bush. Big brother had the pictures of enemy solders, bush had a far more cleverer way. He showed the twin towers in his campaign ad. Also don't anyone say taht 9/11 has anything to do with the war in Iraq. There is proof that bush wanted to go into Iraq before 9/11. Also don't say that bush went into Iraq to combat the eeeeeeeevilist place on earth, there are far, far more evil people than those in Iraq. For instance there is a country in Africa, I can't remember it's name right now, where thousands of people are being slaughtered coutinuously, and they even asked us for help, and we turned them down.


about all of these anti-clinton remarks saying that he did nothing against terrorists. Well, what do you think got us in this position in the first place, MESSING WITH THERE AFFAIRS. If we had just stayed out of them, like Clinton did, we would not have any terrorists.


AN EYE FOR AN EYE WILL MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD BLIND.

hehehehehe I have to learn to stop reading these threads when drinking coffee. I'm going to ruin another keyboard! heheheheheheh

[Butterfingers]

Yeah when I read that post I almost shat myself...

All I have to say to that is life is not a book WELCOME TO REALITY!

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Are you on crack? During Clinton's watch we had the 1st WTC bombing, the truck bombing of Two American Embassies in Africa, The Marine Barracks bombing in Saudia Arabia, and the bombing of the USS Cole! By not forcefully responding, Clinton encouraged the terrorists to try bigger and bigger targets! Clinton stayed out of their business and the attacks escalated. The 2nd WTC attack took more then 8 months to plan and execute, so it started under Clinton's watch.

You need to think before you post next time!

Why don't we let an expert on terrorism speak instead of you 1de:

MR. CLARKE: Well, I think that this is part of a general pattern of the White House and the Republican National Committee and the president's re-election committee distributing talking points like that to senators and to press and to media trying to make me the issue and trying to engage in character assassination. I'm not the issue. Now, we can talk about the specifics of their allegations.

MR. RUSSERT: Is there any inconsistency between your sworn testimony before the September 11 Commission last week and two years ago before the congressional committee?

MR. CLARKE: No, there isn't. And I would welcome it being declassified, but not just a little line here or there. Let's declassify all six hours of my testimony.

MR. RUSSERT: You would request this morning that it all be declassified?

MR. CLARKE: And I want more declassified. I want Dr. Rice's testimony before the 9-11 Commission declassified, and I want the thing that the 9-11 Commission talked about in its staff report this week declassified, because there's been an issue about whether or not a strategy or a plan or something useful was given to Dr. Rice in early January. And she says it wasn't. So we now have the staff report of the 9-11 Commission, and it says, "On January 25th, Clarke forwarded his December strategy paper to the new national security adviser, and it proposed covert action to the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, significantly increasing CIA funding, retaliating for the USS Cole, arming the Predator aircraft, going after terrorist fund raising."

Now, Dr. Rice has characterized this as not a plan, not a strategy, not a series of decisions which could be made right away, but warmed-over Clinton material. Let's declassify that memo I sent on January 25th and let's declassify the national security directive that Dr. Rice's committee approved nine months later on September 4th, and let's see if there's any difference between those two, because there isn't. And what we'll see when we declassify what they were given on January 25th and what they finally agreed to on September 4th, is that they're basically the same thing and they wasted months when we could have had some action.

MR. RUSSERT: But to be clear, Mr. Clarke, you would urge Congress, the intelligence committees, to declassify your sworn testimony before the congressional inquiry two years ago as well as your testimony before the September 11th Commission?

MR. CLARKE: Yes, and those documents I just referred to and Dr. Rice's testimony before the 9-11 Commission because the victims' families have no idea what Dr. Rice has said. There weren't in those closed hearings where she testified before the 9-11 Commission. They want to know. So let's take her testimony before the 9-11 Commission and make it part of the package of what gets declassified along with the national security decision directive of September 4 and along with my memo of January 25.

In fact, Tim, let's go further. The White House is selectively now finding my e-mails, which I would have assumed were covered by some privacy regulations, and selectively leaking them to the press. Let's take all of my e-mails and all of the memos that I've sent to the national security adviser and her deputy from January 20 to September 11 and let's declassify all of it


Link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4608698/

[logamus]

clarke is wacky, but he has balls.

[shartley]

From what I understand, they may look to see if he perjured himself between his last testimony and this one. And if so, his testimony may be worthless.

To think Clark is a credible whiteness at this point only shows what side of the issues you are on.

[cphilip]

I think Clarke is an opportunistic egomanic. He selling books and rewriting history to do it.

[1stdeadeye]

AM,

Let's wait to see the testimony. If he perjured himself, then heaven help Dick Clarke.

I just have to questinhis motives. If all he says is true, then why does he wait to reveal it until his book comes out and not 3 years ago!

[cphilip]

Proving perjury is very difficult. He already admitted he spun whatever tale they asked him to weave at the time. No matter who he worked for. He explains it all that way. So far as I am concerned his credibitiy is destroyed.

But whatever slant you want to put on either Administration the fact is its all arm chair quarterbacking. Lets quit beating ourselves up over not knowing and lets get back to blaming the REAL people reponsible. And it ain't us. Its them! The Terrorists. Lets not be beating ourselves for what evil people do. Its not our fault. None of our faults. Time to move on and lets look at what we ARE doing not what we didn't know to do...

[logamus]

i tend to think that if there was any solid proof that he wouldnt be so energetic to declassify. if there was some question he might think about playing the "executive privliage" card. not that he didnt use some clintionesque half truths because i dont really know, but i would be shocked if there was an obvious lie found between his testimony.


on a random somewhat off topic note, what did you think of bush's jokes about looking for the wmd's in his office? to me thats not really a joke the president should be making, espically while our troops are still fighting and dying over there. but thats just me.

[FactsOfLife]

Yeah Clark is soooooooo credible right about now...

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
Yeah Clark is soooooooo credible right about now...

Good to see that what he called 'character assasination' and making 'him the issue' isn't working......

[Butterfingers]

it all depends on who you want to beleive...

If your out to get Bush you will take what this single person says as gospel...

[Rooster]

"AN EYE FOR AN EYE WILL MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD BLIND."

Only if you are too stupid to invent a better way of putting someone's eye out. Its real hard for a blind man, or a dead one for that matter, to find you to poke out your eye, isn't it.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
it all depends on who you want to beleive...

If your out to get Bush you will take what this single person says as gospel...

Yeah one person. Nevermind the missing WOMD. Never mind the state of the union address where we had them 'buying uranium from an african nation', etc.

Lets just ignore the mounting evidence....