bush's motives?

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RoadDawg
It's been shown that the administration knew something was gonna happen.

Just the opposite. There was significant "chatter" during the summer that was monitored very closely. Then it eventually died down in late July/early August. Richard CLark himself said that it died down and the severe threat had passed them by. There was never any indication what percisely would happen, just that there were bad men out there that wanted to do something bad to us. pretty vague, and hard to act on.

There They were handed info from over seas including the names and pictures of a couple of the terrorists. They had a chance to detour but didn't act.

Most of the terrorists had been in country for several months, several before Bush ever took office. What was he supposed to do about them?

Also if you look at this approval % before 9-11 it wasn't all that great.

It was hovering around 50%. Better then Clinton's were after being in office 8 months. Frankly his approval numbers were nothing to complain about.

After 9-11 it was and I feel it was due to the public being upset over 9-11 and the thought of justice being done.

Well, Bush had rallied the nation together after a historic attack and reacted stronly and with resolve.

So in a sense your right but only after the gov't messed up. To also blame it on Clinton is something I find funny.

Well, Clinton HAD several chances to catch or kill Bin Laden and refused to do it each time. So, he could have prevented the attacks if he had got Bin Laden when he was offered the opportunity.

People always blame the previous administration for EVERYTHING.

Well, after bush had beenin office for half a year most of what was going on in the country was do to Clinton, for better or worse. The country is a big place and it doesn't just shift automatically when a new President comes into town.

Clinton did his good and bad things.

Nafta is about the only good one i got.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
The fact that Bush Administration knew Al Queda was gonna attack somewhere and that it possibly would involve the "icons" of the U.S and yet did nothing to even alert the Air Force or Airlines is rediculious.

Read Clark's testimony. The airlines were notified.

[logamus]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

[i] Clinton did his good and bad things.

Nafta is abou the only good one i got.

dont say that around any teamsters.

[hAppy]

thanks albino! good info

[logamus]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
I really can't take much more of Dick Clark and Madeline Albright sitting there and lying about about the Clinton administration's record on terrorism.

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Read Clark's testimony. The airlines were notified.

so in one case you call him a liar, but we are supposed to believe him now?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by logamus
so in one case you call him a liar, but we are supposed to believe him now?

A fair point, but that was collaberated by everyone involved. I just use Clark as an example because the left seems to take everything he says these days as holy writ.

[Butterfingers]

Ive come to the conclusion that anti-war liberals just don't get it...

Welcome to the land called reality...

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by shartley

You only see things one way don't you, view the whole spectrum. Although it was horrible act it was done with a stroke of genious. They knew how to get around the check points. Bush's plan should of stopped them BEFORE they got on the plane. The fact it didn't it means he/his administration failed or didn't come through on that attempt. I feel and still feel that he let the U.S down that day. The fact that now we have to remove our shoes at the airport to give us that "safe" feeling is another joke. I could sneak a "weapon" on at any time. It's called a ballpoint pen or pencil. Both can be mighty sharp and in the right spot pretty troublesome.

[Butterfingers]

There are things called limits to what we can do... As president you have a MILLION things to deal with...

If we knew for sure the things that were going to happen im pretty sure we would have stopped it.

Its easy to critisize after the fact...

Its like getting into a car accident oh well you should have swerved left it could have totally prevented the head on... Sorry I was concentrating on DRIVING...

Everytime you get into a car you know there is a RISK of crashing you do everything to prevent it... Still stuff happens.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by RoadDawg


You only see things one way don't you, view the whole spectrum. Although it was horrible act it was done with a stroke of genious. They knew how to get around the check points. Bush's plan should of stopped them BEFORE they got on the plane. The fact it didn't it means he/his administration failed or didn't come through on that attempt. I feel and still feel that he let the U.S down that day.

Well you are entitled to that. Just remember that if Clinton had done his job and taken Bin Laden when offered that the money man who raised the funds to finance 9/11 wouldn't be there. How would the terrorists have funded this huge and expensive operation then. You are right, the administration let us down and left us vulnerable....the Clinton Administration!

The fact that now we have to remove our shoes at the airport to give us that "safe" feeling is another joke. I could sneak a "weapon" on at any time. It's called a ballpoint pen or pencil. Both can be mighty sharp and in the right spot pretty troublesome.

Please do us all a favor and try to hijack a plane with one. If the passenger don't kill you, the sky marshall might. If not him, then get ready for a life sentence in the Federal pokey.

That is just a flat out stupid comment. How are you going to take over a plane with a pen?

[hAppy]

technically you can use anything as a weapon, you tell him that he cant take over a jet with a pen, he ll be one angry boy

and than he WILL do it, and crash it into your house

anything is possible, no matter how awkward it would be

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by xXhAppyAznXx
technically you can use anything as a weapon, you tell him that he cant take over a jet with a pen, he ll be one angry boy

and than he WILL do it, and crash it into your house

anything is possible, no matter how awkward it would be

I'll bet him he can't do it!!!

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by xXhAppyAznXx
technically you can use anything as a weapon, you tell him that he cant take over a jet with a pen, he ll be one angry boy

and than he WILL do it, and crash it into your house

anything is possible, no matter how awkward it would be

Yeah but it extremely likely he will get shot in the head by a sky marshal first.

Yeah and good luck hacking your way through the new reinforced cockpit doors with a BIC. You will die of old age before you get through.

The passengers might even let you attempt it before pummeling your arse just for a laugh.

Then the flight attendants will choke you with the tubing off the demo oxygen mask and put a inflatable life preserver over your head.

Then once the pasengers hogtie you with their shoelaces they are gonna let thier kids ride you like a horse for kicks.

"Hey look here Johnny this guy tried to hijack a plane with a ballpoint pen, isnt that cute?"

[Buff]

lol
my dad was am F-15, F-4, and F-5 pilot, now he's civillian auxilliary of the air force...and 3/5 of my nucles are airline pilots....soooo
those new cockpit doors are pretty darn good

oo, hehe, my dad was appointed by the governor of MD to an emergency council to help prepare for future attacks....

[bokraham]

the 1984 comment remark I made had nothing to do with a totalitarian goverenment. I meant the bush is using war to make us forget how else he is screwing up. We lost interest in the Afganistan war, so he started another one. Now i'm not saying that this is the reason that we went to war AT ALL, however it may, MAY have been one of bush's subconcious or even concious secreat motives. Another thing that has to do with 1984 is how big brother used propaganda like bush. Big brother had the pictures of enemy solders, bush had a far more cleverer way. He showed the twin towers in his campaign ad. Also don't anyone say taht 9/11 has anything to do with the war in Iraq. There is proof that bush wanted to go into Iraq before 9/11. Also don't say that bush went into Iraq to combat the eeeeeeeevilist place on earth, there are far, far more evil people than those in Iraq. For instance there is a country in Africa, I can't remember it's name right now, where thousands of people are being slaughtered coutinuously, and they even asked us for help, and we turned them down.


about all of these anti-clinton remarks saying that he did nothing against terrorists. Well, what do you think got us in this position in the first place, MESSING WITH THERE AFFAIRS. If we had just stayed out of them, like Clinton did, we would not have any terrorists.


AN EYE FOR AN EYE WILL MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD BLIND.