Rumsfeld gettin drilled on CNN

[FutureMagOwner]

education is by far not underfunded its poorly managed im in school i see this crap all the time. we take state testing to show we have basic reading and adding skills, wow that sure is helpful FOR A KID IN PRE CALCULUS. then we have the SALT survey "do you smoke?" "have you ever smoked?" "will you ever smoke?" "does smoking make you smoke?" "smoking smoking smoking?" these tests show nothing but that kids can say they smoke in one question and say they dont in another.

you want to have kids learn? stop the white collar welfare of paying staticians who make tests designed to make the kids hate education would be a start.



anyway my thought on this is if its a small group of soldiers doing it then theres nothing rumsfeld could have done to prevent it really. i find it strange that when a rouge group of iraqi's maim us soldiers and photo graph it we realize its only a small portion of iraqi's and do not represent the majority but when a small group of soldiers stack up some prisoners and take pictures suddenly the whole military, and country are evil.

[-Carnifex-]

So 90% of it could be lost in the bearucracy? Yeah, alot of good. Government health care is a fool's errand, and always has been. Infrastructure is another branch thats always been more pork barrel spending than substance. Of course the money shouldn't be going to Iraq, they need to be paying us in oil. The correct use of the money would be defense programs. Our weapons research is sorely lacking.

So is our education.

[Ov3rmind]

education is by far not underfunded its poorly managed im in school i see this crap all the time. we take state testing to show we have basic reading and adding skills, wow that sure is helpful FOR A KID IN PRE CALCULUS. then we have the SALT survey "do you smoke?" "have you ever smoked?" "will you ever smoke?" "does smoking make you smoke?" "smoking smoking smoking?" these tests show nothing but that kids can say they smoke in one question and say they dont in another.

you want to have kids learn? stop the white collar welfare of paying staticians who make tests designed to make the kids hate education would be a start.

Even if we took all the money out of standardized testing and put it into teacher salaries and updated school supplies, there would still not be enough. Bottomline: schools need more money.

Just out of curiosity, how do you guys stand on "No Child Left Behind"?

[PissedGodzilla]

My best friend is a sixth grade teacher and he really thinks the no child left behind act is horrible. it blames the teacher 100% if a kid doesn't get a passing grade.... it puts no responsibility on the children or the parents... it does nothing but hinder our educational system....


What bush doesn't get, for some reason... is that some people are less intelligent... i'm not saying that as an insult, just a fact. It may take some people longer to learn something... with this act, it does not allow for that...


anyone who disagrees with that, hasn't read the actual act.

[Ov3rmind]

PissedGodzilla, I have pretty much the same opinion. It also seems somewhat backwards to me; why pull federal funds from schools who are doing worse? From what I understand, they're the ones who may actually need the money most. I understand that it's an incentive for teachers to raise the bar, but I really don't think there's that much more that teachers can do (I really haven't noticed a difference in teaching methods or workload since the act was passed).

[PissedGodzilla]

PissedGodzilla, I have pretty much the same opinion. It also seems somewhat backwards to me; why pull federal funds from schools who are doing worse? From what I understand, they're the ones who may actually need the money most. I understand that it's an incentive for teachers to raise the bar, but I really don't think there's that much more that teachers can do (I really haven't noticed a difference in teaching methods or workload since the act was passed).

I don't mind there being some kind of act in place to keep the teachers in check, but this isn't the way to do it. It actually hamstrings them... they are basically forced to pass everyone if they want to keep their jobs!

teacher do NOT get paid enoguh for the work they do.

[tyrion2323]

Sorely lacking...what? What don't we have? We have enough nuclear weapons to blow the world up a hundred times over. We have "smart missiles," we have anti-missile missiles, we have more than any other country out there.

I'm not shocked to see the right-wing's approach to this situation. "Deny it, blame it on them!"
The Bush-ites are too eagerly willing to blame everything on everybody else. "We can torture them because they're Iraqis! That happened to US Soldiers!" True, it did happen. But we are AMERICANS. We are supposed to be the "good guys." In justifying the torture of HUMAN BEINGS, we become no better than those who we wish to dethrone.

If it were left to the rightists, American's could rape and pillage all they wanted because "it'd never be as bad as what THEY do." By the time the right-wingers have full control, there won't be much differentiating America from Iraq. Heck, there isn't much now. We've got a government that doesn't care about what the public wants or demands. We've got a constant drive to continue pushing military goals as a first-place option instead of a last, and we've got major corporations taking control of the government through "special interest" donations.

What we need is a government which is able to admit to making mistakes. We need a government who doesn't decide on issues before all sides are expressed. Our "war on terror" has only left two mid-eastern states in the ****ter... After raping Afghanistan and leaving it to the warlords, it turns out that the Taliban is just taking back power that we had "liberated" from them.

Now we find that the crime rate in Iraq has risen because our government unilaterally invaded, crumbled every bit of infrastructure EXCEPT the ministry of oil, and has done nothing to instate true democratic government. If we were to actually do so, the majority of the population (Moslems) would vote a Moslem president, and the U.S. would potentially lose footing in the governmental and economic aspects of running the country. That's one of the reasons that the administration has put the Iraqi situation on the backburner...

Of course, what did we expect? We've got (not by popular vote) an idealogically driven government with a financial agenda and the desire to aggressively pursue American power all around the world. We've got a government which intentionally lies to us about matters both national and inter-national.

[Rooster]

"So is our education."

Incorrect. Teachers are paid well if not too well. Why? Becuase any idiot instructor can be a poor teacher and by virtue of the fact that they have been stumbling around the same school halls for 30 years, make very good money. Government intervension has destroyed our school system. We pay people for failure. If my boss gave me standards for my continued employment, and I missed them, I'd be fired. If a teacher misses them, they make more money becuase they have a year more tenure, and then they complain to their union that they need more money.

[Rooster]

"We need a government who doesn't decide on issues before all sides are expressed."

It doesn't matter what all sides have to say. Country X's concerns have absolutely no weight when compared to our own. Our government exists to protect our intrerests. And mabye, my little liberal friend, you have forgotten what happened in 2002. The congressmen who ran as hardliners on defense won. The weak liberals who fan as everyone's friend lost. That's what most people call a mandate. It means that the liberal mindset has been recognized as the scourge that it is, and it is not going to be tolerated. You see, the government does car about what the people want, it just doesn't care about what the likes of you cares about.

"we have more than any other country out there. "

Good. We should have more. We should have so many that no other nation would even dare to think about looking at us cross-eyed. And what more, we need the will to use them. THe middle east is taken to calling us the great satan. We need to show them what hell is.

[FutureMagOwner]

Even if we took all the money out of standardized testing and put it into teacher salaries and updated school supplies, there would still not be enough. Bottomline: schools need more money.

Just out of curiosity, how do you guys stand on "No Child Left Behind"?

it would still cut alot of wasted money like i said it would just be the first step. the main problem is parents, they dont give a crap now. take for example in my town we had a vote to cut the school budget by 1.2 million dollars. the bill passed because old people came out in force so they could save friggen $25-100 on their taxes but the parents were too damn lazy to vote or they voted no as well because they think they can some how stick it to teachers (and this is evident because after the bill was passed a parent flipped off a teacher who was in school for an hour and 45 minutes after school ended helping kids learn)

[jesseyo13]

Rooster has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to teachers saleries. Both of my parents are full time teachers with masters and they only make 26,000. You cant tell me 26k for someone with a masters is getting overpayed!

[Rooster]

They are in a low demand job. If their services were truely wanted, they would be paid more. That is the failing of public education. There is no room for advancement nor accountability. Bad teachers arn't paid less and good teachers arn't paid more. They get paid more based on how much time they've been able to pigeon-hole themselves into.

And both my parents are teachers as well. They started out at far less than 26k, but both have been teaching for 27 years and they now make 50k. Of course my mother puts many many hours into teaching, and the jerk off history teacher down the hall won't even grade his own papers and won't help with any after school stuff and he gets paid the same amount.

The dollars per hour isn't the issue. Its the fact that the whole system is flawed. It rewards people who don't change, instead of rewarding people who do the most good.

[taylor492]

Found an article in the paper today about the female soldier that appears in alot of the prisoner abuse photos. There are a couple lines that jumped out at me:

"While the photos that show her smiling and giving the thumbs-up sign over naked and humiliated inmates have outraged the nation, her family and friends insist that England was following orders from higher-ranking officers, none of whom faces criminal charges."

^^^
Total BS if u ask me

"That's not the type of person she is," England's sister, Jessica Kleinstiner, told reporters Friday in Fountain, W.Va"

"England also is accused of assaulting Iraqi detainees on "multiple occasions," committing an indecent act, and committing acts that could "bring discredit upon the armed forces."

Link to story-http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0508iraq-charged.html

[-Carnifex-]

"So is our education."

Incorrect. Teachers are paid well if not too well. Why? Becuase any idiot instructor can be a poor teacher and by virtue of the fact that they have been stumbling around the same school halls for 30 years, make very good money. Government intervension has destroyed our school system. We pay people for failure. If my boss gave me standards for my continued employment, and I missed them, I'd be fired. If a teacher misses them, they make more money becuase they have a year more tenure, and then they complain to their union that they need more money.

I said more money for education, but nice try bud.

Also, I'm willing to bet that if teachers were offered higher pay they'd be willing to give up tenure.

I do however, agree with you.

This means we need a President who will help to reform our education system; maybe in the manner of the Governor from Min. that 1DE posted an article about.

[FactsOfLife]

Sorely lacking...what? What don't we have? We have enough nuclear weapons to blow the world up a hundred times over. We have "smart missiles," we have anti-missile missiles, we have more than any other country out there.

I'm not shocked to see the right-wing's approach to this situation. "Deny it, blame it on them!"
The Bush-ites are too eagerly willing to blame everything on everybody else. "We can torture them because they're Iraqis! That happened to US Soldiers!" True, it did happen. But we are AMERICANS. We are supposed to be the "good guys." In justifying the torture of HUMAN BEINGS, we become no better than those who we wish to dethrone.

If it were left to the rightists, American's could rape and pillage all they wanted because "it'd never be as bad as what THEY do." By the time the right-wingers have full control, there won't be much differentiating America from Iraq. Heck, there isn't much now. We've got a government that doesn't care about what the public wants or demands. We've got a constant drive to continue pushing military goals as a first-place option instead of a last, and we've got major corporations taking control of the government through "special interest" donations.

What we need is a government which is able to admit to making mistakes. We need a government who doesn't decide on issues before all sides are expressed. Our "war on terror" has only left two mid-eastern states in the ****ter... After raping Afghanistan and leaving it to the warlords, it turns out that the Taliban is just taking back power that we had "liberated" from them.

Now we find that the crime rate in Iraq has risen because our government unilaterally invaded, crumbled every bit of infrastructure EXCEPT the ministry of oil, and has done nothing to instate true democratic government. If we were to actually do so, the majority of the population (Moslems) would vote a Moslem president, and the U.S. would potentially lose footing in the governmental and economic aspects of running the country. That's one of the reasons that the administration has put the Iraqi situation on the backburner...

Of course, what did we expect? We've got (not by popular vote) an idealogically driven government with a financial agenda and the desire to aggressively pursue American power all around the world. We've got a government which intentionally lies to us about matters both national and inter-national.

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Sorry, I just had to laugh at this pile of crap.