Exhuming McCarthy: Take Two

[FactsOfLife]

Wow, Bill Clinton told a lie, that must mean the ENTIRE party lies more than the Republicans. Oh wait, that's just extremely flawed thinking that doesn't prove a thing.

Oh dear, I have ten thousand things that are infinately more important that posting long winded discourses on which party over the years has been caught lying through it's teeth.

Can you ever forgive me?

Wait, lemme check with my secretary to see if I have time this week to give a crap.

[1stdeadeye]

His arrest records are locked in daddy's library out in Texas somewhere.

You do know that arrests are public records don't you? Bush couldn't hide them if he tried. So go make up some more evidence!

You can steal ballots in Florida to win the election as well.

You do know that the disputed ballets in Palm Beach county were designed by Democrats don't you. They were reviewed by a democratic controlled election board. He still lost, get over it.



Kellen,

I was kidding. That is a line from Goodfellas!

[Kellen_p8nt]

sorry 1de i went back and reread what you said and smacked myself for not realizing you were quoting goodfellas..great choice of quote

[Lohman446]

You're right, America is full of stupid people who easily connected to George Bush.

His arrest records are locked in daddy's library out in Texas somewhere.

You can steal ballots in Florida to win the election as well.


Now that you two hate me, I'll go sob and make a thread in friendly about how I'm not wanted here, just so people can convince me to stay!

Wait a minute, what party beleives the lies and propoganda?

[FactsOfLife]

Wait a minute, what party beleives the lies and propoganda?

oooh careful there, or they'll charge you with hate speech...

[Kellen_p8nt]

I would never write off conspiracy theories. Any opinion deserves due observation(for lack of a btter word) by myself. No one else has to look at tem im just saying I do. I try to look at both sides such as today when i discovered, not to any major surprise, who funded both parties in the previous election.(cool stuff involving enron funding both major parties)

i see propaganda an conspiracy theories as seperate things. Propagannda is more along the lines of running negative ad campaigns. WHile conspiracy theories AUGHT be backed by facts and presentations of publicly known things. Espos comments are a fairly new theory to me, i have heard them but they havnt interested me enough as to look into the validity of them but perhaps now i will.

and LOt. Thats a bit of a streth dont you think. Making assumptions about the way a person will react simply because he is more liberal than you, or for that matter any other reason,doesnt seem to be very intelligent.

My understanding of the political world is unique in that no politician can o what i think needs to be done. That includes any members of the two mainstream political parties and all of the thirds parties. SO i kinda float on, yea i love politics i get into heated debates from time to time but whenever i argue with someone i allways taken the opposition so i have argued from most sides of the political spectrum on most hot button issues. WHy, well i feel it is important for me to understand why people believe whatthey do so that i can better form my own opinions. Meh i sound like im preaching. All im saying is calm down, and look at things objectivly and without a bias.

When you believe you are right you have lost.
When everyone beieves they are right, all is lost.

nightyo everyone

[Hasty8]

If you whine constantly, you are a liberal.
If you are a tool, you are a liberal.

See above poster!

You ever notice how the people who are most likely to label someone else as a tool, in essesence attacking the individual without really bother to deal with what was said, is the bigger tool.

[Hasty8]

Oh dear, I have ten thousand things that are infinately more important that posting long winded discourses on which party over the years has been caught lying through it's teeth.

Can you ever forgive me?

Wait, lemme check with my secretary to see if I have time this week to give a crap.

What Fool chooses to ignore here is the severity of the lies told.

Democrat lies - I did not sleep with that woman.

Republican lies - Read my lips. No new taxes! I am not a crook! Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

Now, which do you think is the more severe of a lie?

[Kellen_p8nt]

Hasty i agree here. To be honest. but um ok whatever. All i ask is you make your claim a bit more specific. Clinton made the first claim and Bush made the seconds. Not all republicans support the war nor do all democrats have sexual relations with interns.

Im just asking for less of a generalization so as to not offend anyone unessecarily.


severity of a lies is an important comparison of the two allbeit i dont think were going to get to the truth... not with the way people are acting right now.

[CaptaiN_JacK]

FoL - at first you were posting good arguements that got me back on the defense, but now you're just taking blind stabs.

"Then I guess we can count on your vote as well, thanks!"----omg, we have a joker here!


and about which party lies more--both lie about the same, just different ways. republicans=ontra, watergate scandal, wmd, liberian document forgery.

democrats=lewinsky affair, um, um, um......

If I had to choose, I'd want a lie taht didn't hurt anybody or anything rather than a lie that hurt the entire nation...

[Hasty8]

What I amuse you? What do you think, I am some kind of clown?
Kellen_p8nt





Actually that is exactly what being elected means. It means you connected to the people better then your opponent. It meant you mobilized your base better.

It does not mean you are the better person/leader. See the First Bush/Clinton race (1992) for proof of that.

I just had to laugh at this. SO much so that I almost wet my pants.

Dead eye actually thinks that the Popular Election actually counts for something!!!!


Truth is deadeye that the Electoral College is in no manner way or shape bound to vote accoring to what the popular vote says. The fact that it just happens to fall that way does not make it fact.

Oh, and since you enjoy insulting those who have divergent opinions from your, here you go you little tool

1DE

[Hasty8]

Hasty i agree here. To be honest. but um ok whatever. All i ask is you make your claim a bit more specific. Clinton made the first claim and Bush made the seconds. Not all republicans support the war nor do all democrats have sexual relations with interns.

Im just asking for less of a generalization so as to not offend anyone unessecarily.


severity of a lies is an important comparison of the two allbeit i dont think were going to get to the truth... not with the way people are acting right now.

I was asking for that too but to even ask for a modicu of kindness and respect from either FoL or 1DE is a waste of breath.

They would rather screm, rant and rave that we are liberals instead of actually taking on the points that we bring up.

Am I a liberal? If being a liberal means that everyone should have a fair shake and that the law should apply to all of us equally, then yeah, I'm a liberal.

Other than that, yeah, I think politicians lie. When Clinton said that he didn't have sex with her I knew it was a lie but he should have never answered that question and he should have never even been asked that question.

Kenneth Star was appointed to look into the Whitewater deals, not find out who Clinton was buggering yet the final report mentions Whitewater only a handful of times and the words sex and cigar a couple of a thousand times.

My point here? None really other than politicans ar a bunch of lying, self-serving sleazebags.

[1stdeadeye]

I just had to laugh at this. SO much so that I almost wet my pants.

Dead eye actually thinks that the Popular Election actually counts for something!!!!


Truth is deadeye that the Electoral College is in no manner way or shape bound to vote accoring to what the popular vote says. The fact that it just happens to fall that way does not make it fact.

Actually in the popular election for president you are voting for a slate of electors. Each party represented has a slate. The winner of that state sends his slate of electors to the electoral college. So only die hards are put on the slate. Could someone change their vote? Yes, but not bloody likely.

So yes, the popular election does count. It allows you the people of your state to choose your representatives to the electoral college.

So who is the tool now?

[Lohman446]

They would rather screm, rant and rave that we are liberals instead of actually taking on the points that we bring up.

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I'm still waiting for what lies and propaganda, now I have seen some mentioned so lets look at them.

"There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, we went to war without reason"
While one of the reasons given to go to Iraq was weapons of mass destruction it was also the threat of Saddam working with terrorists and presenting a threat to the US - did he present a threat to our interests - most definetly. As for no weapons of mass destruction, I suppose a single shell filled wtih nerve gas doesn't count Isn't that a WMD?

"All Clinton lied about was sex - look at Nixon"
Yeh, look at Nixon. For instance he used the FBI to look into his enemies... oh, wait what about the FBI files Clinton had. Now I am not going to go as far as to say this was as bad as what Nixon did, and I need to point out that I have respect for the man, though I did not agree wtih him. But to question the definition of the word is? And BTW, I also respect Nixon for resigning, when he harmed the office of the presidency he also left it. Just for the record, this is not to say that Clinton should have left, even I think the impeachment process was going too far.

And if you beleive for a moment that one party lies more than the other... well Im sure one does. But to say that the only thing the democrats lied about was the Lewinsky mess is rather blind.

[Rooster]

"This gives Liberalism a slight advantage over Conservatism in the US, and soon Liberal views will gain the advantage in the voting booths."

Little Jackie, you are talking about ancient history. What you see happening now is the liberal backlash, mostly caused by most people coming out of their cacoon of ignorance and understanding the most basic of equations:

Liberal = Wrong

Always.

And I'm not sure why you would want to exhume a great American like Senator McCarthy.