Whats happening in France?

[HOMELANDEFENDER]

BTW -- Canada's Muslim population more than doubled from 100,000 in 1981 to over 225,000 in 1991. To say that Law Enforcement should just discount the possibility that pro-terrorist indiviuals would NEVER try to come across the nothern border is just foolish and dangerous.

HLD...

http://www.statcan.ca/start.html

[Recon by Fire]

Seeing how well all you American bigots delt with the last LA rioting and all the other undercalss rioting thoughout your own history, I don't see where you have reason to be so smug.

Land of the Free, home of the ignorant.....


If you are not one of the ignorant masses making foolish comments in this thread, I apologise for any offense as this is not aimed at you.

Otherwise, tough.

Yes, "Blame Canada" because "it's not really a country anyway". Take off hoser and quite sponging off of our posperity. I have met a lot of real nice Canadians in the many years I spent up there. Somehow I doubt I would count you in that crowd. Go bash elsewhere please, hater... I'd comment more but don't care to be banned.

BTW just love how any discusiion of any event ion the world derrives a "we hate the USA" rebuttal from foreigners.

[B.A.M.]

oh and i dont think the L.A. riots spread across our whole contry and into others like it is in france.
FYI we talked in history about the canadian border it it doesnt even have 1 tenth the patrols like in mexico, it just mostly trees so im pretty sure it would be easier to cross in from canada

[MagVak]

Eh, who knows what'll happen before the fires are out in France. Are the rioters "terrorists", meaning radical islamists, bent on disrupting the French government? Personally at this point I'd say no, the main purpose hasn't been to kill people, just burn some stuff and rabble with police. The methods are all wrong and there aren't any indications of responsibility by known groups. What's going on is most likely the simple truth that these neighborhoods where the problem started are mainly north african immigrants. A majority of which are underemployed and destitue. Add in a travesty such as the two boys dieing and you've got lots of angry underemployed destitute peoples who look to blame the government. Oala, you've got anarchy.

What I don't understand here is how Islam got involved. Do most people hear Islam and directly associate it with Terrorism? Can't blame you if you do. However Islam is not wholly responsible for terrorist acts. Could we call the riots terrorism? Sure, but this is most likely domestic as opposed to foreign. If Al-Qaeda claims repsonsibility or if a local radical group is found to be perpetrating a majority of the attacks than foreign terrorism becomes more plausible. It's probably more important to leave Islam out of this. By linking the two, islam and the rioters, we will end up with what we have come to anticipate.

Anyway the whole mess is deplorable and dangerous. It could quickly escalate to something much more deadly and dangerous. For those "French Haters" out there it's important to remember that we were allies in another war, the cold war. We did work side by side with our NATO allies throughout the fifties, sixties, seventies..etc, regarding the defense of Europe against Soviet Russia. I'm sure tactics, technology and intelligence were freely traded by our allies. Therefore I wouldn't be so quick to discount France in thier ability to wage war. What we have here is down home domestic disturbances born from racial tensions.

[ShooterJM]

What I don't understand here is how Islam got involved.

Probably because the two idiots who got electrocuted were islamic and the people who are rioting are islamic.

[lopxtc]

I do ... but then again I believe most any religion can be put into this category also. The crusades, the spanish inquisition, ethnic cleansing, etc etc ... all done in the name of religion.

However I do not wish to start a flame war on this subject .... just stating my opinion that there isnt a religion on this planet that could not be judged a terrorist orginization if viewed by someone outside of that religion.

Aaron

Do most people hear Islam and directly associate it with Terrorism?

[FactsOfLife]

That's right. A large proportion of ignorant yobs still think the Canadian border is a problem.

That despite the fact that the only terrorist to attempt to get into the US from Canada was caught (trying to get to Seattle to bomb the airport or some such for the year 2000).

Far easier to cast blame and attempt to ridicule than to examine one's own shortcomings and problems.

Yeah there are SO many people movin' on up to Canada...

BTW, as for your BS assertion that the only terrorist that attempted to get into the US from Canada, your ignorance is astounding.

Mohammad Attah and his boys ring any bells? Why don't you stick to smokin dope and chasing moose, fool.

[Recon by Fire]

For those "French Haters" out there it's important to remember that we were allies in another war, the cold war. We did work side by side with our NATO allies throughout the fifties, sixties, seventies..etc, regarding the defense of Europe against Soviet Russia. I'm sure tactics, technology and intelligence were freely traded by our allies. Therefore I wouldn't be so quick to discount France in thier ability to wage war. What we have here is down home domestic disturbances born from racial tensions.

In my book, France gave up their ally status when they defaced the graves of American soldiers who died there protecting their country and families. Should have been an act of war since those cemetaries are actually considered US soil.

[SlartyBartFast]

The following is not directed wholely or just at those quoted.

Showing your true anti-American colors again, I see.

No. I'm anti-hater. I'm anti-idiot. I'm thoughroughly against intolerism and ignorance. THe only hypocrisy is the hatred and intolerance I have for those that show those traits.

It's unfortunate that you equate the hateful and ignorant comments here made by your less illustrious countrymen that I was attacking with a representation of America as a whole.

BTW just love how any discusiion of any event ion the world derrives a "we hate the USA" rebuttal from foreigners.

Well, aren't you a royal back side. I'm bashing? How do you qualify the "bash everyone but the US" slant of threads like these? So gee, a "we hate foreigners" thread is acceptable, but to ask that you gaze at yourself in the mirror a little is wrong?

I don't dislike the US. I dislike idiots who are as intolerant as those they mock or complain about. Or those that are too ignorant of world news to make any serious conversation. I have the same strong dislike for intolerant Canadians as I do for intolerant members of any society.

And you know nice Canadians? Big fat hairy deal. I know a lot of nice Americans. It's the intolerant red necks that come out to gloat in threads like this that are intolerable.

And blame Canada? Whatever. Stick your demands for subservience and gratitude from Canadians up your backsides. You owe us as much as we owe you. And your prosperity? Your unemployment, poverty, and huge federal debts are nothing to be envious of.

We're your biggest trading partners, we supply you more oil and energy than any other nation. We did more than any nation in the rabble of the coerced and bribed besides Britain to aid you in the war in Iraq, we are still in Afganistan, our Navy reached areas affected by Hurricane Katrina before your own armed forces.

Every terrorist that has EVER succeeded in attacking the US was home grown or a long time resident. All of the organisation and funding for those terrorists comes not from the many Americans blame or those the president is quick to add to the "axis of evil". It is all homegrown (Oklahoma) or from contries with whom the president has very close personal ties and the country is desperate to maintain freindly relations with. So if the majority of Americans started reflecting on that point instead of trying to blame others or mock others who simply have some of the same problems the US does (or will) have, the US might be able to solve a few real internal problmes instead of being distracted by other issues while the political class has their way.

And to the fact the LA riots or others never spread country wide? Well, have you ever compared the population and size of France with the size and population of the US? European countries have problems with minorities. So what. So does the US and Canada.

I know a great many of those spouting in this thread and others like it are kiddies and losers who are tough guys when comfortably anonymous on the internet. Others may actually be coherent and logical in person. I'm not above admitting I might take some things more seriously than intended. A "crime" that anyone who overreacts to my posts is as guilty of as myself over reacting to theirs. However, read the posts on AO in threads like this and try and justify why every nasty negative stereotype of the US doesn't have some founding in truth.

Strangely enough, I was watching The Daily Show last night and found myself laughing at the anti-French jokes. Why did I find them acceptable last night while finding them insupportable here? The simple fact that on that show, it is firstly OBVIOUS no one takes themselves terribly seriously, secondly no one is safe from being a target, and thirdly even behind the most scathing jokes there is something to be seriously thought about.

there isnt a religion on this planet that could not be judged a terrorist orginization if viewed by someone outside of that religion.

And that is the failure of all religions (and politics). Whether Islamic or Baptist, leftist activist or far right conservative, the failure to cast out the terrorists (or others that cross the line) in their mist, and denouncing intolerance from others and not admitting their own intolerance towards others.

In my book, France gave up their ally status when they defaced the graves of American soldiers who died there protecting their country and families.

Hmm. If you think it's right to judge one country by a few idiots then I guess the rest of the world is right to judge the US by its worst extemists too.

I'm finished in this thread. As usual while lip service is given to avoiding political or religious discussion in the AO rules, foreigner , racial, religious, and political bashing and intolerance will be accepted and left to fester on AO as long as it's American, white, Christian, and right wing.

[MagVak]

Would someone please clue me in on this whole "desicration of US graves" by the french? Never heard of it, don't believe it and I can't even imagine it. What you are suggesting is that the Government of France knowingly desicrated or allowed the desicration of graves sometime after the invasion of Normandy, thus ending thier relation through NATO. How come they are still have "member" status? Just want a link to a reputable source.

So every single rioter in France is Islamic right? Somehow I doubt that asserstion. Could it be that the two kids are the catalyst because of the community they were part of, meaning the poor imigrant neighborhoods? Is everyone in the middle east Islamic? All I'm trying to say is that Islam is over abused and deliberatly attacked whenever something goes wrong. The situation in France could very well have nothing to do with Islam besides the fact that the community is predominantly Islamic. It could simply be a combined result of many factors that fall well outside of religious participation.

Somehow I find it encouraging that France has just delcared a State of Emergency which allows for curfews to be set. If this happened in America there would've been riot police, National Guard on the streets and lots of arrests being handed down. True, that would quell the riot yet it might encourage more cladestine displays of anger. I don't know, it's interesting that the Frech autorities haven't put the jackboot first.

[SCpoloRicker]

Bar's open on this subject... :)

[maxama10]

Seeing how well all you American bigots delt with the last LA rioting and all the other undercalss rioting thoughout your own history, I don't see where you have reason to be so smug.

Land of the Free, home of the ignorant.....


If you are not one of the ignorant masses making foolish comments in this thread, I apologise for any offense as this is not aimed at you.

Otherwise, tough.

well i am an american but woooo thats funny
good one...

[50 cal]

The French are reaping what they sow. The immigration laws in France were very liberal. They let in so many people and had no means to support them or a welfare system to support them.
They are now lashing out because they are ticked no one is taking care of them. Primarily it's Muslims and North Africans that are rioting.
Basically that's it in a nutshell.

[Recon by Fire]

I'm finished in this thread. As usual while lip service is given to avoiding political or religious discussion in the AO rules, foreigner , racial, religious, and political bashing and intolerance will be accepted and left to fester on AO as long as it's American, white, Christian, and right wing.

Yes sir, indeed, you are done... ...bye, bye.

[Steelrat]

I'm finished in this thread. As usual while lip service is given to avoiding political or religious discussion in the AO rules, foreigner , racial, religious, and political bashing and intolerance will be accepted and left to fester on AO as long as it's American, white, Christian, and right wing.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.