LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[bleachit]

There are HUNDREDS of millions of people who would be glad to help/make them go back home. They are called Americans.

QFT

[lather]

Unfortunately our politicians are heavily influenced by big business and corporate special interest groups and both political parties are doing everything in their power to keep the illegals here--whether by a "guest worker" program or outright amnesty for the illegals.


This whole illegal business disgusts me. Our government (both parties) dont care one bit of what the vast majority of Americans feel about this issue.

[HOMELANDEFENDER]

Unfortunately our politicians are heavily influenced by big business and corporate special interest groups and both political parties are doing everything in their power to keep the illegals here--whether by a "guest worker" program or outright amnesty for the illegals.


This whole illegal business disgusts me. Our government (both parties) dont care one bit of what the vast majority of Americans feel about this issue.

Amen Brother.

HLD...

[geekwarrior]

"There are HUNDREDS of millions of people who would be glad to help/make them go back home. They are called Americans."

Really, are these the same millions of Americans who I keep hearing would do the same crap jobs these illegals do for low pay, because I don't think they exist. I'm just having trouble picturing some guy with a family to support ditching a good job to 'take up the cause' and go hunt down illegals... somehow I think his response would be 'go screw yourself, I have to pay for my kid's college in a few years'.

your right, no american would do those jobs....for the same amount of pay as an illegal.....pay a fair wage an there will be American workers to do the jobs.


day without an immigrant huh? stay the --- out of our hospitals and off our freeways on that day too

did you guys hear they made their own national anthem...in spanish...with different words?!!!....yeah they want to be US citizens, making up there own crap, waving there Mexican flags.....

[wanna-b-ballin']

day without an illegal? well there wont be any mexicans period at my school this monday, and i could have sworn most were legal. oh well. there went half my school. maybe it will be nice not having to push people out of the way to walk down the halls.
for some reason they congregate in those small areas, and dont move out of your way to let you past. its really annoying. i think i'll enjoy monday.

[Recon by Fire]

And what are the chances that any immigration officials will be on site at any of these marches to round up any illegal immigrants and send them home?

I'm guessing about 0.0%

In Houston the police and INS have a policy that they do NOT round up the illegals despite knowing where they congregate (daytime laborers, etc...). Makes sense....

[MagMan5446]

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[Recon by Fire]

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You always have PBN. We do have OUR opinions, you just don't like them.

[Jaan]

There are HUNDREDS of millions of people who would be glad to help/make them go back home. They are called Americans.

Native Americans?

The only reason those "Americans" aren't here illegally is because Native Americans had no immigration laws.

[bleachit]

Native Americans?

The only reason those "Americans" aren't here illegally is because Native Americans had no immigration laws.

I doubt those "Native Americans" had to show their passports when they first came to this land either.....

[lopxtc]

Hey so by your statement you would be fine if the Mexicans try to come in by force like other countries have in the past? Sweet Im good with that ... I would love to ship them home in body bags even more than I would love to just ship them home.

Remember it wasnt just the English that stormed into this country; the Spanish (ironically), the French, the Vikings, etc all dipped their hands into this country (Meaning all of the "Americas") and all took land/people/treasures in the name of their flags.

Aaron

Native Americans?

The only reason those "Americans" aren't here illegally is because Native Americans had no immigration laws.

[Lohman446]

"IMO its a good day to find out who shouldn't legally be here."


Yeah buddy, and who the hell is going to remove them? MILLIONS of them.....

I cant understand how people in this country can possibly think the US has the logistical, and financial, ability to remove millions of illegal immigrants... Is there some secret, massively funded organization, with manpower in the millions, ready to get these illegals off the street and I just dont know about it? It sure ain't the INS, Police, or National Guard. You might not of noticed but the INS cant even SECURE the friggin' border, let alone send back the millions of illegals who are in the US already back over it again. And the Police and National Guard, well, there a little busy at the moment as it is.

Anyone who actively thinks the US can remove millions of illegal immigrants back to Mexico is living in la-la land, and might need to put down the paint thinner... The focus should soley be on securing the US/Mexico border to stem the flood, and I doubt we can even do that, not trying to send back the people already here. It's just to late for that. If the government had seriously acted to secure the border 10, 15, or 20 years ago we wouldn't have so many here already, but alas they did nothing.

If you can't understand the difference between attempting to do something about the problem and what we are doing now your being naive. Can we round up every illegal immigrant and send them home tomorrow? No, of course not. Can we quit making laws to there benefit (no random drunk driving check points in California because it was too much of a hardship on undocumented aliens)? Yes we can. Can we start sending people back who we take into custody and know are illegal? Who show up for health care? Yeh, we could do something

[1stdeadeye]

Native Americans?

The only reason those "Americans" aren't here illegally is because Native Americans had no immigration laws.

[BigEvil]

thats a great find 1DE.

I run a distribution and importing center in NJ. The entire industry relize on cheap, 'temporary' labor to function. By 'temporary', I of course mean illegals who are hired via proxy though emplyment agencies. There is a whole underground system in place to make it possible for these people to be here. From fake or stolen SS#'s, to some sort of shady method of doing on-line payroll which makes it possible for these people to get an actual paycheck.

A business that uses temp help is immune from any responsability for the legal status of these workers (at the moment). The Agency is, however, many are small, fly-by-night operations which come and go often.

Holding businesses responsible for any illegal workers found on their premise is the first, biggest, best step towards solving this problem.

YES, it is s HUGE problem.

THen the borders need to be secured. That is not negotiable. Close them. PERIOD. It is not difficult to come into this country legally. Lets put a little effort and resources into that system.


Now, lets think a few steps ahead. If all of these illegal workers are now suddenly made legal, get health benafits, ect, ect. Think of the pandora's box that will open. Once businesses are forced into such a financial situation, focus then will start to shift towards other issues that havent been in the forefront, but have been brewing nonetheless. Take health care costs for example. Premiums are ridiculous. Engery? Ridiculous. What do they have in common? Goverment meddeling and regulation.

Once the light gets shinned on the swine that are running this nation into the toilet they will scurry like the cockroaches they are. THen they will all panic, and the pandering will begin in a effort to save their own political lives. Look at the gasoline issues now. Tons and tons of pandering, nothing to actually fix the problems.

[tropical_fishy]

I just read a really interesting article for my sociology class, which I hate. Let me drag it out and give y'all numbers.


HLD, you're in Jersey, correct? You have a high instance of illegal immigrants because of your proximity to NYC and Washington DC. Be sure the immigrants you're discussing are, in fact, "Mexican illegals" and not Puerto Ricans, who have every right to be here legally. States like Ohio have virtually no illegal immigrants from Mexico, because there is no drive to go there-- no big cities, no centers of economy, etc.

ok, I found my article. Here we go.

California may seem the best place to study the impact of illegal immigrants on the prospects of American workers. Hordes of immigrants rushed into the state in the past 25 years, competing for jobs with the least educated among the native population. The wages of HS dropouts in CA fell 17% from 1980 to 2004.

But before concluding that immigrants are undercutting the wages of the least fortunate Americans, perhaps one should look at Ohio. Unlike CA, Ohio remains mostly free of illegal immigrants. And what happened to the wages of Ohio's high school dropouts from 1980 to 2004? They fell 31%.

This article goes on to discuss how more Americans are obtaining a high school education and higher, and how minimum wage compares to immigrant population by state. For example (this photocopy is hard to read, but I think this is what it says) in Nevada, there is an estimated 7.6% immigrant population. The median hourly wage for HS dropouts is $10.05. In CA; population 6.9%, median wage, $8.71. Down to Ohio (this article only showed 10 states) with .9% population, and a median wage of $8.37.

Can I just say that, for the most part, I have no sympathy for high-school dropouts. None. The American school system is public. You go there for free. If you screw around and don't graduate, you have a slew of other problems that don't involve sitting around with yuor thumb in your butt, complaining about illegal immigrants. Don't like it? Go get yourself a GED, it's definitely possible. Enroll yourself in night school, or community college classes, or the bloody military. Don't like your situation in life? Get off your butt and improve it. Welcome to America.

Now, on to Mexican immigrants (LEGAL ones, which that article ALSO discussed). Transnationalism is a problem for any country with high instances of immigrants. However, expecting someone who is an adult to come into this country (once again, we're discussing legal immirgants) and toss away ingrained gender roles, ties to Mexico, etc, is idiocy. The best we can hope for is that through schooling, second-generation immigrants can become more socialized. I'll be frank here. I hate the way Mexican society treats women, I hate the whole ranchero masculinity BS. But to expect someone, who has grown up, 20, 30, 40 years, maybe more, with this philosophy on what is masculine and what is feminine is ridiculous. People don't change overnight.

Mexicans aren't out to destroy America. Where's the concern about Chinese immigrants? Koreans? Africans of all stripes? Europeans? This article wasn't about Mexico. You made it about Mexico.