LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[Lohman446]

The median hourly wage for HS dropouts is $10.05. In CA; population 6.9%, median wage, $8.71. Down to Ohio (this article only showed 10 states) with .9% population, and a median wage of $8.37.

Let me ask this. Does the article ever take into consideration cost of living differences? Say the cost of living change during the time period of the study, or the cost of living differences between the states?

[tropical_fishy]

Let me ask this. Does the article ever take into consideration cost of living differences? Say the cost of living change during the time period of the study, or the cost of living differences between the states?

Yeah, but not in the study. I'm going out to a concert right now, I'll type the rest up later.

[psychowarden]

To me, this only means one thing. Monday is the best day to go apply for a job.

[Konigballer]

haha,lol

[BobTheCow]

Hey so by your statement you would be fine if the Mexicans try to come in by force like other countries have in the past? Sweet Im good with that ... I would love to ship them home in body bags even more than I would love to just ship them home.

It's comments like these that destroy any shred of credibility you may have had. You hop that thin line of concern straight into racist bigotry.

And as to the mention of a Spanish national anthem... so? Somebody show me where the official language of the United States is English, and why those speaking Spanish, or any other language, don't have a right to express their pride for the country.

edit: This sound familiar to anybody?

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame.
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp! cries she
With silent lips. Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

[kosmo]

Where's the concern about Chinese immigrants? Koreans? Africans of all stripes? Europeans? This article wasn't about Mexico. You made it about Mexico.

Dude, the Chinaman is not the issue here.


/theres a Lebowski quote for everything
//Deport BobTheCow. It will cut down on the number of illegal janitors required to clean nasty hotel rooms the morning after.

[lopxtc]

At least I dont hide behind a false mask ... someone else made the comment that the only reason we are here is because our ancestors came in and took the land, which yeah we did. We relocated either through force or otherwise the people that were here before us.

So to that I responded if they want to try and do that, then I welcome it ... I would prefer a stand up fight to the political crap that has surrounded and shiedled all x number of million of illegals that are here now.

I for one am tired of it ...

People complain and moan that we are trying take over other countries and fail to see what they are complaining about is happening right in their own backyards.

Aaron

It's comments like these that destroy any shred of credibility you may have had. You hop that thin line of concern straight into racist bigotry.

[1stdeadeye]

It's comments like these that destroy any shred of credibility you may have had. You hop that thin line of concern straight into racist bigotry.

And as to the mention of a Spanish national anthem... so? Somebody show me where the official language of the United States is English, and why those speaking Spanish, or any other language, don't have a right to express their pride for the country.

edit: This sound familiar to anybody?

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame.
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp! cries she
With silent lips. Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Multiculturalism works real well?

Balkans, Kurds, Qubec, Dafar, etc....

[kosmo]

You want to live like that? Then go vote for it

[tropical_fishy]

Multiculturalism works real well?

Balkans, Kurds, Qubec, Dafar, etc....

America is multicultural without being susceptible to genocide. The problem arises when bigoted, racist regimes take power and decide one race/religion/people is less worthy than others to survive. That's what happened in Darfur (Sudan), Rwanda, Lebanon/Syria, and Germany. It's called ethnic cleansing and it's generally frowned upon in decent society. What would you propose, then? An entirely white America? What constitutes a single-cultured American? I'm white trash, but even I am "multicultural." I'm German, Irish, Polish, English, and probably a few other things. I'm a Euromutt, but I'm white, so do I count? How about JUST people with English ancestory, are they single-cultured enough?

[Lohman446]

America is multicultural without being susceptible to genocide. The problem arises when bigoted, racist regimes take power and decide one race/religion/people is less worthy than others to survive. That's what happened in Darfur (Sudan), Rwanda, Lebanon/Syria, and Germany. It's called ethnic cleansing and it's generally frowned upon in decent society. What would you propose, then? An entirely white America? What constitutes a single-cultured American? I'm white trash, but even I am "multicultural." I'm German, Irish, Polish, English, and probably a few other things. I'm a Euromutt, but I'm white, so do I count? How about JUST people with English ancestory, are they single-cultured enough?

But its not. It goes back to the difference between a melting pot and a salad bowl. The cultures that made up America have all melded into one. Multiculturalism that Deadeye points at are not those that have melded together but those that have tried to coexist while maintaining seperate cultures from one another.

I'm all for America, and an evolution of America. However that means we celebrate a winter holiday that represents something from all of us - not Kwanza, Christmas, and Hanukah(sp) seperately to such a point that none of them are allowed to be celebrated by everyone together. Many people who are not of mexican/spanish decent celebrate Cinco De Mayo(sp), many people who are not Cathoholic celebrate Mardi Gras, etc. We have melted this holidays into part of American culture. If we insist on seperating things, not allowing these cultures to meld together, we only build a powder keg.

[tropical_fishy]

But its not. It goes back to the difference between a melting pot and a salad bowl. The cultures that made up America have all melded into one. Multiculturalism that Deadeye points at are not those that have melded together but those that have tried to coexist while maintaining seperate cultures from one another.

I'm all for America, and an evolution of America. However that means we celebrate a winter holiday that represents something from all of us - not Kwanza, Christmas, and Hanukah(sp) seperately to such a point that none of them are allowed to be celebrated by everyone together. Many people who are not of mexican/spanish decent celebrate Cinco De Mayo(sp), many people who are not Cathoholic celebrate Mardi Gras, etc. We have melted this holidays into part of American culture. If we insist on seperating things, not allowing these cultures to meld together, we only build a powder keg.

The cultures that make up America have not melded at all. Go into any home in any part of America, and each will celebrate different holidays in different ways. People proclaim themselves African-American, Polish-American, Irish-American, Mexican-American. The rise of the "hyphenated American" itself is indicative of just how "melded" our society is. Race isn't the only thing that fosters genocide. An unstable government combined with economic pressures and the belief that one race is better than another cause genocide to occur. Acceptance does not mean assimilation.

[geekwarrior]

It's comments like these that destroy any shred of credibility you may have had. You hop that thin line of concern straight into racist bigotry.

And as to the mention of a Spanish national anthem... so? Somebody show me where the official language of the United States is English, and why those speaking Spanish, or any other language, don't have a right to express their pride for the country.

edit: This sound familiar to anybody?

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame.
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp! cries she
With silent lips. Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

so your saying that we dont need a natioanl anthem, just one for each nationality represented?!!!...they didnt just sing our natioanl Anthem in spanish, they MADE UP THIER OWN ANTHEM...true Americans there

[lopxtc]

I for one welcome all the other cultures here to America. I dont care what religion you want to believe in, I dont care what holidays you want to celebrate, I dont care what color your skin is ... I do however care about one thing ...

THAT YOU BECOME A DAMN CITIZEN IF YOU WANT TO LIVE AND WORK HERE ...

Plain and simple, I dont give a damn frack about where you came from or who you are ... all I care is that you are here legally. That is it ...

If you are not here legally you are not a ciitizen, you are not protected by the same rights a citizen is, and you SHOULD NOT get any of the benfits that those of us who are do.

The only exception should be school .. plain and simple, do away with the H1B program once and for all. You want to come to school here? Fine you get a one semester visa ... if you dont maintain a certain grade point average you are given a warning, fail to bring that average up you are gone.

If you are not here legally, you are ILLEGAL ... you are breaking a law and as such should be punished as harsh as the law should allow.

Aaron

[Lohman446]

The cultures that make up America have not melded at all. Go into any home in any part of America, and each will celebrate different holidays in different ways. People proclaim themselves African-American, Polish-American, Irish-American, Mexican-American. The rise of the "hyphenated American" itself is indicative of just how "melded" our society is. Race isn't the only thing that fosters genocide. An unstable government combined with economic pressures and the belief that one race is better than another cause genocide to occur. Acceptance does not mean assimilation.

The rise of hyphenated America is one of the problems not an example of why it works. The more we divide ourselves into cliques based an anything the more likely there is to be a problem. There is a massive difference between multiculturalism and multiple cultures.