LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[geekwarrior]

Illegal immigration is proof that the free trade system doesn't work. When foreign countries are open to investment and speculation by multinational corporations, local businesses are forced to compete with McDonalds and Walmart. The businesses are forced to close and the workers have limited options: earn a slave wage in a foreign-owned latin american sweatshop, collect unemployment, or go where the work is and send whatever you can back to your family.

Economies and populations will stabilize when people are able to meet the basic necessities where they live. Its unrealistic to make it impossible to make a living in their country and then kick them out when they try to make a living in ours.

hmm..so where does the fact that the Mexican government is corrupt and ruining there own economy play into your train of though?

Whats unrealistic is inviting every poor person into the US and believing that our country can support them all. sounds harsh, but thats life.

[grEnAlEins]

hmm..so where does the fact that the Mexican government is corrupt and ruining there own economy play into your train of though?

Whats unrealistic is inviting every poor person into the US and believing that our country can support them all. sounds harsh, but thats life.

Thats true, the Mexican police force are crazily corrupt, I bet it is widespread throughout the government.

Also true, but this is widespread among all races here, so it is not really central to immigration. I have said for a long time that our welfare system and other socialist institutions need to go. In fact, these programs were supposed to be discontinued at the end of the depression, and forced SS was supposed absolved of the American populus at the same time as other programs were discontinued (In fact, it was supposed to be on voluntary basis in the beginning). It is unfortunate that the government has lost its testicles, and with them, the ability to tell people to FO...

[tropical_fishy]

It's a good thing you guys didn't have a hand in writing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Health care is something every person is entitled to. Making health care impossibly expensive is immoral on the part of doctors and insurance companies. There's a political theorist/sociologist, whose name I cannot remember for the life of me at the moment, who looked at why certain people are politically active. I don't remember exactly why he came to this conclusion, but he came to the conclusion that there is a hierarchy of needs that have to be met, and if they aren't met, something like voting falls far below the threshhold of something a person thinks about. My professor explained it as: physical security (food, water, shelter), protection from crime, good health, education... etc.

The Mexican government IS impossibly corrupt, but that's not the only problem it has. Government on a local scale is more and more frequently controlled by immigrants who make it in the US. They form committees about what to do in their hometown in whatever city they're in. Transnationalism is bad for the government at home because it leaves the poorest of the poor in areas of concentrated poverty which are not (debatably) good for them.

I don't think anyone can blame immigrants for wanting to come to America. Excessive poverty there makes crossing the border, even illegally, look VERY good.

I don't really remember where I was going with this, and I want some soup.

[kosmo]

why do all the illegal immigrants coming here from Mexico get to cut in line in front of the guy your trying to help?

For the exact same reason everyone born in America gets their citizenship without earning it. There are a lot more douchebags in the country because of that than from Mexicans coming in.

[grEnAlEins]

Health care is something every person is entitled to. Making health care impossibly expensive is immoral on the part of doctors and insurance companies.
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I don't think anyone can blame immigrants for wanting to come to America. Excessive poverty there makes crossing the border, even illegally, look VERY good.
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I don't really remember where I was going with this, and I want some soup.

I am sure that the FDA charging drug companies millions of dollars for mandatory testing and approval has nothing to do with high costs. When you buy expensive drugs, you are paying for R&D, Testing, and FDA approval of new drugs. The drug companies are not about to lose money/eat high costs from the FDA. If you do not like high cost drugs A) don't buy them, or B) call your government representation and tell them you would like to see FDA policy reformed. It is easy, you only need to hit seven little buttons (well eleven if you live in the 847 area code). If the FDA is pput back under control, then drug prices will drop, as there is a smaller cost of production. It is like magic

I don't. In fact, I have vehemently defended their being here.

I like soup

For the exact same reason everyone born in America gets their citizenship without earning it. There are a lot more douchebags in the country because of that than from Mexicans coming in.

:rofl: . Just curious (not hostile towards you in any way), but what do you propose the system be changed to? I guess I am asking, how would one earn citizenship if it were up to you? Would it require an education/skill/military service/etc? This is interesting.

[FactsOfLife]

Health care is something every person is entitled to.

omfg...

[evildead420]

anybody see, " A day without a Mexican" ? this would kinda what it would be like without my lil wetback friend

[kosmo]

I propose a citizenship/intelligence/make sure youre not ridiculously ugly test be given to everyone in the country, and then deport everyone who doesnt score high enough. Every person who is deported then opens up a spot for a prospective immigrant who scored high enough. Really though, nobody here is educated enough on the issue to be qualified to decide the fate of thousands of people, and that includes me so I wont bother trying.

[Altimas]

It's a good thing you guys didn't have a hand in writing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

If it wasnt for Health Insurance you really couldnt afford healthcare.

[grEnAlEins]

I propose a citizenship/intelligence/make sure youre not ridiculously ugly test be given to everyone in the country, and then deport everyone who doesnt score high enough. Every person who is deported then opens up a spot for a prospective immigrant who scored high enough. Really though, nobody here is educated enough on the issue to be qualified to decide the fate of thousands of people, and that includes me so I wont bother trying.

:rofl: I would fail, I am one ugly dude

[robnix]

Can I just say building a wall is the grown-up equivilent of the child playing hide-and-go-seek, covering his eyes, and thinking, "I can't see them, so they can't see me!"?

Yeah. Pointless. You'll still have Coyotes taking people across the border for $$, you'll still have people dying in the desert, and you'll be strapped for cash because you just built a huge-^%& wall for no reason other than symbolic separation, a la Berlin.

I urge you one day to go visit the Checkpoint Charlie museum and see just how 'symbolic' that wall around a city, and another that split a country in half really was.

[nippinout]

Health care is something every person is entitled to. Making health care impossibly expensive is immoral on the part of doctors and insurance companies.

It's a sad fact of life. It's called insurance for a reason. In the event of a very expensive treatment, you pay a small portion. You want insurance? Get a job. Being born does not entitle you to a life of free healthcare. It isn't the government's job to be your mother.

Universal healthcare is a joke. Look at Tennessee. Failure. In Canda, you have to be on a waiting list to see a doctor!

What's the point for a company to develop a drug that takes a decade and hundreds of millions of dollars if they aren't able to charge enough to make a profit?

What else should every person be entitled to? You want something? Work for it. Earn it. The government does not exist to give away handouts.

GET A JOB!

[BigEvil]

we had about 20 people out today in my warehouse, and truthfully, I was pleased to see everyone pitch in to pick up the slack. There definately are some hard feelings. I hope that nothing more comes of it, and I hope they all enjoyed there vacacione.

After speaking to my big boss today, I came up with this plan; I would bring a classroom size American flag in tomorrow, and we would start the day with the pledge of allegience. I said that anyone who didnt know it, or couldnt recite it in English didnt get a sick day for today.

Im expecting the ACLU in there sometime before first break. :-)

[Recon by Fire]

you are so right...





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= Zone of Death!!!



Can someone say reality TV? pays for itself.


/joke
//Ha Ha

[bleachit]

thank you, finally it gets the recognition it deserves!