LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[geekwarrior]

I for one welcome all the other cultures here to America. I dont care what religion you want to believe in, I dont care what holidays you want to celebrate, I dont care what color your skin is ... I do however care about one thing ...

THAT YOU BECOME A DAMN CITIZEN IF YOU WANT TO LIVE AND WORK HERE ...

Plain and simple, I dont give a damn frack about where you came from or who you are ... all I care is that you are here legally. That is it ...

If you are not here legally you are not a ciitizen, you are not protected by the same rights a citizen is, and you SHOULD NOT get any of the benfits that those of us who are do.

The only exception should be school .. plain and simple, do away with the H1B program once and for all. You want to come to school here? Fine you get a one semester visa ... if you dont maintain a certain grade point average you are given a warning, fail to bring that average up you are gone.

If you are not here legally, you are ILLEGAL ... you are breaking a law and as such should be punished as harsh as the law should allow.

Aaron

Amen, this isnt about race, its about obeying the law...

all you people who are about open borders, why don't you go to all the other poor countries (ther are plenty of them in the world) and round up 12 million of them and move them into YOUR neighborhood.

[Lohman446]

If you are not here legally you are not a ciitizen, you are not protected by the same rights a citizen is, and you SHOULD NOT get any of the benfits that those of us who are do.

I don't buy this. If you are here legally than you should be provided full protection of the State. I do agree however, if you are not here legally, you are gone. I do see a problem with born American citizens taking advantage of there birth right. I know at one point most American high schoolers could not have passed the citizenship exam given to those seeking to become citizens who were not born here.

[grEnAlEins]

The problem is not immigrants here. It is their families there. If Mexican/insert other nationality here illegals/resident aliens stopped exporting money, our economy would grow because we would not be supporting the Mexican/insert other here economy(or ies). The illegals are not going anywhere anytime soon fellas, so we should allow them the opportunity to earn

[SCpoloRicker]

Dude, the Chinaman is not the issue here.

W:Also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

D:Walter, this isn't some guy that built the railroads!

/same-same happened with the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, etc., et all

[grEnAlEins]

If you are not here legally you are not a ciitizen, you are not protected by the same rights a citizen is, and you SHOULD NOT get any of the benfits that those of us who are do.

Have you read/seen the Bill of Rights?

Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Nowhere does it say Citizen, it clearly says person. This is why resident aliens and visiters from abroad get trials/lawyers/etc. So it would appear that they do have legal protections, or are they not people? Maybe everyone should need to earn citizenship...

[lopxtc]

Have you read/seen the Bill of Rights?

It would seem you need to re-read it yourself ... and by that I mean the whole Constitution and not just the parts you which to read.

Amazing how you manage to forget to include the preamble to the Constitution, after you all you cannot just quote the bill of rights which are afterall just amendments to the Constitution;

Preamble --

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Seems pretty clear at that point the People is refering to citizens. Just as in any legal document where everyone involved is named in full once at the start and then noted later on through out the document in short form. In this case when you actually include the preamble its pretty easy to see what people is refering to.

Amazing how you can make any document fit your argument when you leave out bits and pieces.

Aaron

Have you read/seen the Bill of Rights?

Nowhere does it say Citizen, it clearly says person. This is why resident aliens and visiters from abroad get trials/lawyers/etc. So it would appear that they do have legal protections, or are they not people? Maybe everyone should need to earn citizenship...

[grEnAlEins]

Amazing how you manage to forget to include the preamble to the Constitution, after you all you cannot just quote the bill of rights which are afterall just amendments to the Constitution;

Preamble --

We the People of the United States,

Seems pretty clear at that point the People is refering to citizens. Just as in any legal document where everyone involved is named in full once at the start and then noted later on through out the document in short form. In this case when you actually include the preamble its pretty easy to see what people is refering to.

Amazing how you can make any document fit your argument when you leave out bits and pieces.

Aaron

Explain this:

Amendment XXVI - Voting age set to 18 years. Ratified 7/1/1971. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

They do this several times throughout the later later amendments (by this I mean not the first ten).

The Constitution, in effect, says that "We citizens say that the government cannot treat people like dookie, but only citizens can vote/partake in other benifits not given to all people." That is the long and short of it... They still have their human rights, and ar protected by our laws the same as a European tourist. This doccument is to limit what the government can do to not only citizens, but all people. It applies to anyone and everyone in the USA.

It is also easy for you to leave out later amendments that change the original frame of reference... When it is appropriate to say citizens the law makers took the time and extra ink to do so. This means that the doccument must say people in certain places for a reason, otherwise it would have been amended to say citizens when clarrification was needed.

[geekwarrior]

Explain this:

Amendment XXVI - Voting age set to 18 years. Ratified 7/1/1971. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

They do this several times throughout the later later amendments (by this I mean not the first ten).

The Constitution, in effect, says that "We citizens say that the government cannot treat people like dookie, but only citizens can vote/partake in other benifits not given to all people." That is the long and short of it... They still have their human rights, and ar protected by our laws the same as a European tourist. This doccument is to limit what the government can do to not only citizens, but all people. It applies to anyone and everyone in the USA.

It is also easy for you to leave out later amendments that change the original frame of reference... When it is appropriate to say citizens the law makers took the time and extra ink to do so. This means that the doccument must say people in certain places for a reason, otherwise it would have been amended to say citizens when clarrification was needed.

Heres something for you to try:

Go to Mexico and slit your wrists, than go to a Mexican hospital and see if you can get any help without first swiping a visa.

Second: drive your son off to a gang neighborhood in downtown LA and drop him off. When your son is killed and the murderers take off to Mexico, see how hard it is to get the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT to extradite said murderer for trial and prosectution(google "david march")

thirdly: try living in Mexico without legal status, see how long it takes for them to throw you out.

Fourth: try taking your sick son or daughter to an emergency room in CA and see how long you have to wait to get service(I waited 6 hours with my son). 13 ER rooms have been closed down in LA county in the last few years, with more to follow. Primary reason: non paying patients.

Fith: Send your child to a school in the SoCal, and see what kind of education he gets when over 50 percent of his/her classmates are holding the whole class back because they dont speak English. Than try taking your undercut wage and budget for private school.

My parents waited 8 years to get approved to immigrate, and it meant working 3 jobs to be able to afford to do so. How fair is it to them and all other legal immigrants to go through that process when millions are cutting in line just because they are close to the border?

I could go on and on....

[1stdeadeye]

America is supposed to be a melting pot where people fit in. If my great great grandparents had demanded everyone speak to them in Italian and refused to learn English what would have happened.

We are a melting pot, not a tossed salad. Learn our language and our ways if you wish to integrate into our society.

[nippinout]

Being against illegal immigration is not racist.

What is racist/classist is support for illegal immigrants, because "They do the jobs 'regular (white) Americans do not want to do." Sure, let's let the illegals stay in order to treat them as second class people with little legal recourse in any event of negligence/exploitation/abuse by the employer.

African-American. Asian-American. WTF?

When did the Politically Correct people deem it necessary to treat non-whites as a seperate sect of citizen? To label Americans with a suffix is racist itself! When was the last time any white person was called European-American? "My fellow Anglo-Saxons!"

Immigration is good. But when the immigration is illegal, and the illegals are uneducated, unskilled, with little allegiance to America, why would we want it? Yes, illegals sometimes pay income taxes through their fake SSN, but what about the under-the-table cash. What about the fact that Mexico's economy is dependent upon money being sent to them from illegals here in America?

My parents, along with everybody else in my extended family that is older than me, immigrated LEGALLY to America. We learned to speak English. We got jobs. We spent that hard earned money here in America. We have insurance. We pay taxes. My family came here with little money and little knowledge of English. At one point, we had 10 people living in a 3 bedroom house. My extended family now has 3 college graduates and 2 currently in college. Blaming the government for not aiding immigrants (legal or not) is a poor and pitiful excuse.

[grEnAlEins]

America is supposed to be a melting pot where people fit in. If my great great grandparents had demanded everyone speak to them in Italian and refused to learn English what would have happened.

We are a melting pot, not a tossed salad. Learn our language and our ways if you wish to integrate into our society.

Fine, I say we make the national language what Franklin and Jefferson wanted to. The national language is now Greek. Good luck learning As a Greek AOer, I will help you:
Γειάσου. Πώς είστε;
Hi, How are you?

[nippinout]

Fine, I say we make the national language what Franklin and Jefferson wanted to. The national language is now Greek. Good luck learning As a Greek Aoer, I will help you:
Γειάσου. Πώς είστε;
Hi, How are you?

Benjamin Franklin also wanted the turkey to be the National Bird. Delicious, patriotic bird.

[grEnAlEins]

Benjamin Franklin also wanted the turkey to be the National Bird. Delicious, patriotic bird.

:rofl: Very true, those things are delicious (not silly, but licking lips)

This Thanksgiving I will admire a turkey and eat an eagle...

[grEnAlEins]

What about the fact that Mexico's economy is dependent upon money being sent to them from illegals here in America?

That is what I have said 3 times now. I say we let people say provided they are employed and EARN citizenship. They should also be encouraged to bring their relatives over so our money stays here. I believe I posted this exact thing a little ways up.

[nippinout]

That is what I have said 3 times now. I say we let people say provided they are employed and EARN citizenship. They should also be encouraged to bring their relatives over so our money stays here. I believe I posted this exact thing a little ways up.

Letting the illegals stay sends the wrong message.

The same wrong message was sent in 1986 under Reagan's amnesty program. Illegals and those thinking of entering America ILLEGALLY see this: "The stupid Americans... Every 10 years they grant amnesty! Ha Ha!"

I believe Section 1 of the 14th amendment must have its 'Jus Soli' changed to only grant citizenship to those born when the mother is on US soil LEGALLY.

These people want to be Americans?













Surely, those upside-down American flags indicate somone in duress or immediate danger.

BTW, this isn't a civil rights issue no matter how much people want it to be.

Vicente Fox should not be the most powerful man in the United States of America.