LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[nippinout]

The Israelis built a wall. That wall did a horrible job.

It's such a horribly ineffective wall that the number of suicide bombings drastically dropped.

[geekwarrior]

Can I just say building a wall is the grown-up equivilent of the child playing hide-and-go-seek, covering his eyes, and thinking, "I can't see them, so they can't see me!"?

Yeah. Pointless. You'll still have Coyotes taking people across the border for $$, you'll still have people dying in the desert, and you'll be strapped for cash because you just built a huge-^%& wall for no reason other than symbolic separation, a la Berlin.

umm...no, its not pointless.

Coyotes arent helping people over a fence or wall, they drive them over our currently wide open border. And the plan isnt just some 6 ft wall you can hop over, its a fence, 30 ft inbetween, and than fence, both with razor wire on the top, and elctronic monitering eqipment. Will it stop everyone? No, but it sure will slow the wave of them. In some Arizona areas they estimate 1000 crossing A DAY. That number doubles when people start talking about amnesty and guest worker programs. You must not live in CA or Arizona, that or are very ignorant to what is going on in your backyard


And the Berlin wall worked quite well.

[tropical_fishy]

The Israelis built a wall. That wall did a horrible job.

It's such a horribly ineffective wall that the number of suicide bombings drastically dropped.

Their wall covers a whole lot less space. If we were enclosing an area the size of the Gaza strip, that'd be one thing. We're fencing out half a continent. Now that's a horse of a different color.


Our wall, should we build it, is still going to have the problems the border has now. Are we going to hire people to stand guard over the wall? How about snipers? Are we going to prevent people from digging UNDER the wall? How about that stuff that keeps rabbits out of gardens?

[geekwarrior]

Their wall covers a whole lot less space. If we were enclosing an area the size of the Gaza strip, that'd be one thing. We're fencing out half a continent. Now that's a horse of a different color.


Our wall, should we build it, is still going to have the problems the border has now. Are we going to hire people to stand guard over the wall? How about snipers? Are we going to prevent people from digging UNDER the wall? How about that stuff that keeps rabbits out of gardens?

yes, there will be guard towers with watchman, not sure about the snipers, although that is necessary. The coyotes had a stand off with the border patrol agents about a month ago, the coyotes had a .50 caliber mounted on a humvee...our border patrol agents arent that well armed. This isnt also just about people coming to work its about drug runners and oh yeah, maybe you forgot about 9.11?

[bleachit]

I think the phalanx rigged with infrared would be pretty sweet.

wont need any guards either. At 6000 rounds/minute you wont need to worry about no .50, yeah, it shoots 20mm.

[tropical_fishy]

yes, there will be guard towers with watchman, not sure about the snipers, although that is necessary. The coyotes had a stand off with the border patrol agents about a month ago, the coyotes had a .50 caliber mounted on a humvee...our border patrol agents arent that well armed. This isnt also just about people coming to work its about drug runners and oh yeah, maybe you forgot about 9.11?

Now MEXICO was involved in 9/11? Jesus, where have I been? Someone call the news van!

Edit: Don't even get me started on drugs. This has been my pet subject for months now, and I know more about cocaine than I ever wanted/needed to know. I just wrote a paper on it, in fact.

[grEnAlEins]

The coyotes had a stand off with the border patrol agents about a month ago, the coyotes had a .50 caliber mounted on a humvee...our border patrol agents arent that well armed.

This isnt also just about people coming to work its about drug runners and oh yeah, maybe you forgot about 9.11?

1) Does anyone remember like two months back when the Mexican Military dudes were smuggling people over? I will try to find a link to the story.

2)I thought that they came in from Canadia

EDIT:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/7/134033.shtml

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=43754
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=48485

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/31/134212.shtml

http://www.vdare.com/francis/conquest.htm

Here is info on one of the many tunnels they have found, Walls wont work too well against these...
http://www.infowars.com/articles/imm..._on_border.htm

[geekwarrior]

Now MEXICO was involved in 9/11? Jesus, where have I been? Someone call the news van!

you are ignorant....

there have been numerous reports about middle eastern men with terrorsist ties crossing the border...don't you get the news on that little island of yours?

here ya go

one of many such news stories

[bleachit]

at least if there are any illegals watching this thread they now know how to apply for citizenship...





thank you google ads.

[tropical_fishy]

you are ignorant....

there have been numerous reports about middle eastern men with terrorsist ties crossing the border...don't you get the news on that little island of yours?

here ya go

one of many such news stories

You realize you just linked me to an EXTREMELY conservative, EXTREMELY biased news source, correct? May as well have said, "go check out FOX!"

Yes, in fact, I do get the news. I also read books, magazines, and the newspaper. I do not rely on one, biased source for all my information.

[grEnAlEins]

at least if there are any illegals watching this thread they now know how to apply for citizenship...


[IMG apply today (pic cut for kosmo) /IMG]


thank you google ads.

:rofl: excellent.

[geekwarrior]

You realize you just linked me to an EXTREMELY conservative, EXTREMELY biased news source, correct? May as well have said, "go check out FOX!"

Thats all you have to say about that? ignore the arguement, attack the source?
sorry, i just typed it in google, and that was the first that came up...is it so hard for you to imagine anyways? What is so biased about the idea? I've heard the original story on multiple news channels.

[nippinout]

Their wall covers a whole lot less space. If we were enclosing an area the size of the Gaza strip, that'd be one thing. We're fencing out half a continent. Now that's a horse of a different color.


Our wall, should we build it, is still going to have the problems the border has now. Are we going to hire people to stand guard over the wall? How about snipers? Are we going to prevent people from digging UNDER the wall? How about that stuff that keeps rabbits out of gardens?

US Border Patrol has fielded a Predator UAV.


Construction of a fence will have fencing that does not stop at surface level.

Because it's too difficult to build and defend a fence, we should abandon the idea altogehter?

Building a fence is not the only part of a working solution. Penalize those that hire ILLEGAL immigrants. Make it difficult for ILLEGAL immigrants to stay here. They will return to where they came from.

America cannot stand to have its policy making dictated by those that cannot legally vote, let alone those who are here ILLEGALLY. The politicians must grow a backbone on this one. They are acting without any foresight when supporting amnesty.

[tropical_fishy]

Y'all seem to think that I'm advocating immigrating here illegally. I'm definitely not. I just think building a wall is an idiotic idea. It'll waste time and resources that are best applied elswhere.

[geekwarrior]

Y'all seem to think that I'm advocating immigrating here illegally. I'm definitely not. I just think building a wall is an idiotic idea. It'll waste time and resources that are best applied elswhere.

I'm glad we agree on that

but really, how else CAN we secure our borders? its not just about illegal immigrants, its about security too. in fact I might support some sort of guest worker program IF we somehow close off the border first.

I apologize if I seemed hostile, its just living in Southern CA, I've had about enough.