LOL Looks like Monday is national "Day without an Illegal" day ...

[geekwarrior]

I propose a citizenship/intelligence/make sure youre not ridiculously ugly test be given to everyone in the country, and then deport everyone who doesnt score high enough. Every person who is deported then opens up a spot for a prospective immigrant who scored high enough. Really though, nobody here is educated enough on the issue to be qualified to decide the fate of thousands of people, and that includes me so I wont bother trying.

It doesnt take a highly educated person to see that illegal immigration is destroying CA and Arizona. Its destroying the health care system, public schools, and the whole infrastructure. An educated person may be needed to study at what rate our counrty can absorb LEGAL immigrants
This country is going more and more to socialism.

[grEnAlEins]

This country is going more and more to socialism.

That is the main problem. We should heve a system where you pay for what you get/use. Great news, I solved the problem! If we had no socialist institutions, there would be no problem, the illegals or anyone could not strain your institutions.

[1stdeadeye]

Through them out! Why was the INS not offering them all free bus rides home?

[FactsOfLife]

If it wasnt for Health Insurance you really couldnt afford healthcare.

Hate to break it to you, but there are those of us who pay for our health care without the government or some overbearing HMO's "help".

[evildead420]

what about this guy, he has rights too.



sorry dan. lol.

[billybob_81067]

What's the point for a company to develop a drug that takes a decade and hundreds of millions of dollars if they aren't able to charge enough to make a profit?

I think they shouldn't spend millions of dollars developing drugs... What this country needs is a plague/epidemic, or a revolution to spill some blood and clean up all the crap.

we had about 20 people out today in my warehouse, and truthfully, I was pleased to see everyone pitch in to pick up the slack.

So basically what you're saying is that those extra 20 people aren't really needed, everyone else just needs to put out 100%.

Just think if everyone in the U.S. put out 100% every day...

[maxama10]

I think they shouldn't spend millions of dollars developing drugs... What this country needs is a plague/epidemic, or a revolution to spill some blood and clean up all the crap.

heh, might get some crap for this one, but.... What youre saying sounds sort of like hurricane Katrina to wipe out the filth in New Orleans (sadly taking along with it many great things)
/disaster plague epidemic close enough
//this whole thing is a ****story
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[Rudz]

ok

today at work everyone is my dept showed up...everyone..all races..hispanic background or not..in another dept where temp " mexican nationalists" work for minumum wage..they called in sick by hordes..we looked at it like this..nobody in my dept is illegal..and we make alot more..but some of us have hispanic backgrounds, as do i..the boycott affect us?? no the temps were all fired...we all showed up despite talk of this boycott..i am all for more deportation..great walls, barbed wire.guards towers..why?? illegals cost us money..they have all there kids..that are born in our country, so are now" americans" and get all the benifits...bs...millions on welfare...in cali they can get a dl?? wtf...most of them dont have one anyways..they hit you and your screwed...want to deport them..home depot..go get em...but no point deporting if they walk back over...im a damn proud american..hispanic background yes..but my family has legally been here for generations.alot of us dont even speak spanish..lol, hell go ahead make english the national language..id love it..walk into a store and you have to know spanish to get what you want?? you want to stay in our country?? learn english..become legal, pay taxes..hell if there was a mas education istead of deportation it would help..teah em english, educate em..and make em pay taxes..

[SCpoloRicker]

today at work everyone is my dept showed up...everyone..all races..hispanic background or not..in another dept where temp " mexican nationalists" work for minumum wage..they called in sick by hordes..we looked at it like this..nobody in my dept is illegal..and we make alot more..but some of us have hispanic backgrounds, as do i..the boycott affect us?? no the temps were all fired...we all showed up despite talk of this boycott..i am all for more deportation..great walls, barbed wire.guards towers..why?? illegals cost us money..they have all there kids..that are born in our country, so are now" americans" and get all the benifits...bs...millions on welfare...in cali they can get a dl?? wtf...most of them dont have one anyways..they hit you and your screwed...want to deport them..home depot..go get em...but no point deporting if they walk back over...im a damn proud american..hispanic background yes..but my family has legally been here for generations.alot of us dont even speak spanish..lol, hell go ahead make english the national language..id love it..walk into a store and you have to know spanish to get what you want?? you want to stay in our country?? learn english..become legal, pay taxes..hell if there was a mas education istead of deportation it would help..teah em english, educate em..and make em pay taxes..

In all seriousness: speak freaking english.

The whole "I'm rambling with periods in-between" is the cause of most of peoples grief.

[Lohman446]

..they have all there kids..that are born in our country, so are now" americans" and get all the benifits...bs..

Just for the sake of discussion what qualifies one as a citizen if born in this country is not one of the qualifiers?

[Lohman446]

So basically what you're saying is that those extra 20 people aren't really needed, everyone else just needs to put out 100%.

Just think if everyone in the U.S. put out 100% every day...

Mass unemployment? A cycle of layoffs and hirings that became almost impossible to deal with? Rapid inflation from a rapidly changing supply side? Small groups (10-20%%) of the work force being able to cripple the workplace through work slow downs or "boycots"?

There are pretty justifiable arguments to have the ability for more productivity than is normally run.

[tropical_fishy]

In all seriousness: speak freaking english.

The whole "I'm rambling with periods in-between" is the cause of most of peoples grief.

I'm starting the Foundation Against the Misuse of Ellipses, if you'd like to join.

Maxama, you may get "crap" for that one because it's an ignorant and somewhat racist sentiment.

You all seem to think the poor in this country, immigrants or no, are the enemy. They aren't. There are a good many poor people working minimum wage jobs, trying to keep their kids in schools, NOT on welfare or TRYING to get off. For a lot of people, food stamps, welfare and charity are not good things, they are EMBARASSING things. It makes me kind of sick to see a bunch of boys whose hobby is an expensive one-- people who have MONEY to play paintball, to have cars to drive, discussing poverty like it's some kind of disease. You are not the majority. You are a privileged minority. And you are acting like spoiled children. One of the reasons drugs are so prevelent in poor neighborhoods, like the ones in New Orleans that got hit during Hurricane Katrina is because law enforcement is LOOKING for them.


What happens if we turn our economy into a purely assembly-line style, utilitarian economy? Pretty much no employment. Ever read Brave New World? That's what happens when a society takes "assembly line" to the extreme.

[PyRo]

My take on illigle immigration.

Illigle immigrants are unarguably a drain on society.

While it's a wonderfull thought to think we can open our arms to all the worlds poor it simply is not true. At one point a hundred years ago this may have been the case. Times have changed and this country now has the ability to absorb only a certain number of immigrants each year.

Illigle aliens most often do not pay taxes yet receive the same or better healthcare that tax payers would They do not pay taxes yet receive the same legal protection that tax payers would. They do not pay taxes yet can send their children to the same schools tax payers would. They do not pay taxe yet receive the same police protection that taxpayers would. Their is no argueing right or wrong when an American citizen can get an "unskilled" job and make four hundred dollars a week after taxes while an illigle alien will make five hundred because they do not pay taxes. Ontop of this when the citizen falls and breaks his arm he is expected to pay all or at least a large part of the medical bill. When the illigle alien falls and breaks his arm the medical expenses fall on the taxpayer.

People complain of low wages. Why are the wages low? Supply and demand, their are more people who want the job then can be hired. Theirfore emplyers do not have to pay well. If the number of people who wanted the jobs fell wages would have to rise to atract employees. Ontop of this due to tax reasons often a law abiding American citizen is going to make less then someone who came to this country illigelly.

If the estimated twelve million undocumented workers were to suddenly leave the country along with whatever children they had while here several things would happen.
*Schools would become less crowded and better financed. Public schools are financed by taxes. When you have people who do not pay taxes sending their children to school you are reducing the amount of money spend on each child. After the second World War returning vetrans started families which created a huge generation of young people. Their were little if any problems with over crowding in schools then because all the vetrans were legal citizens taking jobs where they paid taxes which in turn paid for the schools their children went to.
*Unskilled jobs such as laboring, landscapeing, dishwashing, and waiting would not be left vacent with people unwilling to do them as is often said. That the Hispanics do the jobs no one else wants to do can be dismissed as pure myth. Those jobs would most likely be filled with young people who need to start somewhere or work through their college years. If their truly was a problem people on welfare or unemployment could be turned to these jobs as at least temporary employment.
*Wages for unskilled jobs would increase. Tax paying legal citizens may very well refuse to do those jobs for the amount of money illigles are making since they will be making less then their alien counterparts. In turn wages would have to be increased.
*Tax revenues would increase. As these jobs were filled with tax payers tax revenues would increase. This would lessen the burden however little it may help on those currently paying taxes.
*Healthcare and other social programs would have money freed up to do other things.


Between immigration, the situation in the Middle East, Oil Prices, Noth Korea, outsourceing, and Chinas rapid industrialization this county may be in trouble.

[geekwarrior]

Between immigration, the situation in the Middle East, Oil Prices, Noth Korea, outsourceing, and Chinas rapid industrialization this county may be in trouble.

Agreed...enjoy US as a superpower now, because at this rate, it wont last much longer.

Other countries think were bad as a superpower...wait until China is.

[tropical_fishy]

My take on illigle immigration.

Illigle immigrants are unarguably a drain on society.

While it's a wonderfull thought to think we can open our arms to all the worlds poor it simply is not true. At one point a hundred years ago this may have been the case. Times have changed and this country now has the ability to absorb only a certain number of immigrants each year.

This is true. I think most of us agree that illegal (yes, ILLEGAL, not illigle) immigration is not-so-good. I think we should make it a lot easier for people to get work permits to work in the US-- not live, work. For example, TJ is right over the border from San Ysidro in CA. The border provides for many jobs, and I think it would be beneficial to all involved to make the border slightly more permeable to WORKERS. I know that a lot of people, when crops are in season, drive from Mexico to the strawberry fields or whatnot and then back down, daily. They're following their job-- sometimes strawberries are in season in Mexico, sometimes in SoCal. They should be allowed to follow that industry with proper documentation.

Illigle aliens most often do not pay taxes yet receive the same or better healthcare that tax payers would They do not pay taxes yet receive the same legal protection that tax payers would. They do not pay taxes yet can send their children to the same schools tax payers would. They do not pay taxe yet receive the same police protection that taxpayers would. Their is no argueing right or wrong when an American citizen can get an "unskilled" job and make four hundred dollars a week after taxes while an illigle alien will make five hundred because they do not pay taxes. Ontop of this when the citizen falls and breaks his arm he is expected to pay all or at least a large part of the medical bill. When the illigle alien falls and breaks his arm the medical expenses fall on the taxpayer.

Many illegal immigrants do pay taxes, in fact. Most companies won't doctor their books like that.

You don't seem to understand how the medical system works. If an American citizen cannot pay his/her hospital bill, it doesn't matter. If that person is in need of emergency care, like a broken arm, a hospital MUST, due to the Hippocratic Oath, take care of them.

People complain of low wages. Why are the wages low? Supply and demand, their are more people who want the job then can be hired. Theirfore emplyers do not have to pay well. If the number of people who wanted the jobs fell wages would have to rise to atract employees. Ontop of this due to tax reasons often a law abiding American citizen is going to make less then someone who came to this country illigelly.

Often. You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.

"Often" recent immigrants, illegal or no, are mistreated. "Often," Americans look upon recent Mexican immigrants, illegal or no, as trash. "Often," Mexicans are paid less for their work than white people, kinda like "often," women make what, 75, 80 cents to a man's dollar?

If the estimated twelve million undocumented workers were to suddenly leave the country along with whatever children they had while here several things would happen.
*Schools would become less crowded and better financed. Public schools are financed by taxes. When you have people who do not pay taxes sending their children to school you are reducing the amount of money spend on each child. After the second World War returning vetrans started families which created a huge generation of young people. Their were little if any problems with over crowding in schools then because all the vetrans were legal citizens taking jobs where they paid taxes which in turn paid for the schools their children went to.

I don't agree. Illegal immigrants don't send their children to schools for the most part. Education is not important when you're scraping by to make ends meet. And according to my mother, who was a kid during the baby boom, your theory about overcrowding in schools is BS. She lived in the boonies in Western Pennsylvania and still went to an overcrowded school.

*Unskilled jobs such as laboring, landscapeing, dishwashing, and waiting would not be left vacent with people unwilling to do them as is often said. That the Hispanics do the jobs no one else wants to do can be dismissed as pure myth. Those jobs would most likely be filled with young people who need to start somewhere or work through their college years. If their truly was a problem people on welfare or unemployment could be turned to these jobs as at least temporary employment.

You obviously don't live in Southern California. Yes, there are some (white) kids who would take up these jobs. But the vast majority are spoiled brats, who wouldn't touch landscaping or harvesting with a ten foot pole.

*Wages for unskilled jobs would increase. Tax paying legal citizens may very well refuse to do those jobs for the amount of money illigles are making since they will be making less then their alien counterparts. In turn wages would have to be increased.

Blatantly false. Most reputable businesses pay minimum wage.

*Tax revenues would increase. As these jobs were filled with tax payers tax revenues would increase. This would lessen the burden however little it may help on those currently paying taxes.
*Healthcare and other social programs would have money freed up to do other things.


Between immigration, the situation in the Middle East, Oil Prices, Noth Korea, outsourceing, and Chinas rapid industrialization this county may be in trouble.

Health care is not a "social program." Perhaps you meant welfare, or medicare. But regardless. I tried my very best not to get very frustrated at your spelling and grammar, which is atrocious. Perhaps if you are so worried about the public school system, you should begin by studying basic English.