Legalizing Drugs in Mexico !!!

[FactsOfLife]

i think it would help make the stupid us goverment relize marajuana isnt bad and it will help legalize that. but i dont want any of that other crap to be legal.


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you were smokin' weed when you posted this weren't you. come on, admit it.

[kosmo]

Slade, the short and dirty of the illegalization of weed is as follows:

Dupont invented nylon, wanted government contract for parachutes. Government used cheaper hemp. One of the daugters of some Dupont Honcho marries the son of the biggest newspaper publisher around. Dupont uses connection with newspaper to villainize weed, and lobbys congress with heavy fundage in order to illegalize weed, thus making it less profitable to grow cannibus for hemp products. They succeeded, hemp got more expensive, military bought nylon. The end.

[Hexis]

An interesting read about US Policy vs Dutch policy:

http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/reinarman.devil.html

[magman007]

steelrat, i very rarely dissagree with you, but this is one instance where i must.

There have been many many many successfull people whom were and still currently are users. Marijuana has its good effects as well, besides being a natural antidepressant, marijuana can also help promote brain development. At any given time, we are only using 10% of our brain, while utilizing marijuana it can clog some synapses up, when these synapses become cloged, they re route them selves, opening new methods of opperation, this is partially where we see creative thinking in todays world. the "why didnt i think of that" clause if you will.

also, Tetrohydrocannibinol (THC) does not really have an addictive property to it, most users have more of a mental addiction to the substance, and can kick it if they wish. Its a feeling people enjoy, hence why they do it.

As i have stated, im not a user, i cannot use due to my career, but i have used in the past, and i found the feeling to be very uplifting and relaxing, and i have suffered no longterm effects,

marijuana as i stated before is still better for the body than smoking or drinking, both of which i partake in, and i wont lie, i am addicted to cigarettes. Not smoking a cigarette for a day can really take its toll on me mentally, physically, and emotionally. Not smoking pot for a day just makes for a slighlty more boring and dull day.

what it all comes down to is responsibility. If the drug is used responsibly, then the user is at no harm to any one. Ive gotten just as many bad ideas while drunk, than i have when i smoked.

also, it is not illegal to be high, it is to use, or be in possession of the drug/paraphanelia(sp) in which has been used, of course im sure you know the legalities.

the real matter of the fact is that it wont be legalized for a long time, if ever. Would i vote to legalize it? sure thing, there would be regulations around it, and im sure it would be implimented safely. I know for flying there is an 8hr bottle to throttle rule, and im sure something similar would be implimented in flying and driving, much like the .08 BAC for driving.

Drugs are illegal due to their detrimental nature, of which marijuana has very little of, so in reality, it diserves to be legal, comparatively speaking of course to the other legalized drugs that we have on the market.

[kosmo]

you were smokin' weed when you posted this weren't you. come on, admit it.

No, he was eating brownies. And cake. And pork rinds, cheetos, pizza with everything on it,some burgers and fries, 3 shakes, anchovies, a midget, a baby, some pink popcorn, and some funions.

/Yeah man, funions. Totally.

[Hexis]

marijuana can also help promote bran development.

Too good to ignore. That's pretty important, you gotta get enough fiber. or is it a crop rotation thing?

[behemoth]

No, he was eating brownies. And cake. And pork rinds, cheetos, pizza with everything on it,some burgers and fries, 3 shakes, anchovies, a midget, a baby, some pink popcorn, and some funions.

/Yeah man, funions. Totally.

Wow, he's been really cutting down.

[magman007]

hahaha good one hexis, my apologies, i was typing rather quickly.

[slade]

Slade, the short and dirty of the illegalization of weed is as follows:

Dupont invented nylon, wanted government contract for parachutes. Government used cheaper hemp. One of the daugters of some Dupont Honcho marries the son of the biggest newspaper publisher around. Dupont uses connection with newspaper to villainize weed, and lobbys congress with heavy fundage in order to illegalize weed, thus making it less profitable to grow cannibus for hemp products. They succeeded, hemp got more expensive, military bought nylon. The end.

okay, im not sure if i understand the exact relation between pot and hemp. i know they are from closely related plants, both in the same family, but pot is illegal and hemp is perfectly legal. why would banning pot stop (or limit) the production of hemp, if it is still currently around?

Marijuana has its good effects as well, besides being a natural antidepressant, marijuana can also help promote brain development. At any given time, we are only using 10% of our brain, while utilizing marijuana it can clog some synapses up, when these synapses become cloged, they re route them selves, opening new methods of opperation, this is partially where we see creative thinking in todays world. the "why didnt i think of that" clause if you will.

...but do those clogged synapses completely clear when you are not high, or is there any long term negative effects on the brain?

As i have stated, im not a user, i cannot use due to my career, but i have used in the past, and i found the feeling to be very uplifting and relaxing, and i have suffered no longterm effects,

...except for occasionally forgetting to end sentences with periods.

[tropical_fishy]

As always, when the pot debate starts up, I turn to the wonderful people at Erowid for information. Magman, you commented that THC is an antidepressant-- it's not. THC is a relaxant and a depressant, although some people feel stimulation. However, that's not unusual; alcohol is also a depressant and I'm sure we've all been around moronic, obnoxious drunks. I can also find no info on your "creative synapses" theory, but I'd be really interested to read about it, so some studies would be nice.

The long and short of marijuana politics are as kosmo said. Hearst and DuPont both had their reasons for not wanting pot around; for DuPont it was hemp, and for Hearst-- well, he just didn't like Mexicans, so he painted them as these savages that smoked pot all day long, etc, etc. In short, Hearst invents yellow journalism and puts so much pressure on the government that he gets marijuana (his nickname for the drug) outlawed in one fell swoop.

We're not debating medical marijuana, but I'd just like to say that I find it disgusting that the government won't let people in chronic pain ease it by smoking some pot. It's cruel.

[slade]

We're not debating medical marijuana, but I'd just like to say that I find it disgusting that the government won't let people in chronic pain ease it by smoking some pot. It's cruel.

well, as was stated, medicinal pot is often just sold on the street.

/dont kill me chelsea.

[Steelrat]

It's fairly clear that I am in the minority here. I'll just say that dealing with marijuana in a social setting, sitting around with friends and enjoying yourself, does not provide you with a full understanding of what marijuana does, and what it leads to. In my experience, all drugs, including marijuana, are something society can live without. It IS a gateway drug, and serves no purpose other than some questionable medicinal ones. Sure, alcohol and cigarettes are bad, but does that mean that we should legalize anything else that is bad also?

Here is what the DSM IV has to say about cannabis addiction:

Individuals with Cannabis Dependence have compulsive use and do not generally develop physiological dependence, although tolerance to most of the effects of cannabis has been reported in individuals who use cannabis chronically. There have also been reports of withdrawal symptoms, but they have not yet been reliably shown to be clinically significant. Individuals with Cannabis Dependence may use very potent cannabis throughout the day over a period of months or years, and they may spend several hours a day acquiring and using the substance. This often interferes with family, school, work, or recreational activities. Individuals with Cannabis Dependence may also persist in their use despite knowledge of physical problems (e.g., chronic cough related to smoking) or psychological problems (e.g., excessive sedation resulting from repeated use of high doses).

[tropical_fishy]

well, as was stated, medicinal pot is often just sold on the street.

/dont kill me chelsea.

You're right. But old ladies with cancer shouldn't have to go to their friendly neighborhood dealer to get some pot to smoke.

Hemp, industrially, is Cannabis Sativa that has been genetically selected for the low levels of THC in it. Cannabis Sativa, normally, can be smoked/ingested/however you guys like your pot, just like its sister plants-- Cannabis Indica and Ruderalis. Hemp was illegal for a while, if I remember correctly.

[Hexis]

In my experience, all drugs, including marijuana, are something society can live without.

So I shouldn't have Nexium any more? Man, I get some serious acid reflux without that stuff.

[slade]

In my experience, all drugs, including marijuana, are something society can live without.

society would be a lot better without a lot of things, such as racism, paris hilton, discrimination, injustice, american idol, etc... but its unrealistic to assume we can completely get rid of them, because there are too many people that unfortunately perpetuate them. instead of being ideallistic about it, you have to figure out what you can do in your given situation.