Legalizing Drugs in Mexico !!!

[punkncat]

Lets not even consider the issue of LEGAL drugs and how they encroach every advertizing aspect of our lives. Many of these drugs effects are largely unknown. Most of them are on the market simply because the right wheels were greased to make it so.

Turn on prime time TV and watch the dealers try to sell you something to "improve" your life.

[Lohman446]

No doubt that many would think they are bad, but do all or even has a majority voted in favor of the current laws and punishments for these crimes, or the strain that fighting drugs has put on our legal system and tax dollars.

Considering that a majority do not vote then the answer is no. Considering that many of the people actually involved or affected by them no longer have the right to decide it becomes even more disturbing.

One of the problems. A minority of the population likely takes any single illegal drug (even weed). The problem is that the majority has trampled over the rights of the minority to make there own decisions.

I'll take your health arguments away here. I think it wrong to criminalize victimless crimes. Let's use suicide as an example. No argument from either side on the health effects of this.

[punkncat]

One of the problems. A minority of the population likely takes any single illegal drug (even weed). The problem is that the majority has trampled over the rights of the minority to make there own decisions.

I'll take your health arguments away here. I think it wrong to criminalize victimless crimes. Let's use suicide as an example. No argument from either side on the health effects of this.

I think we are both on the same side of the coin on this.

Plain and simple, if there is no crime to be commited in taking drugs and there is no resultant crime after getting messed up on them...the Darwin Effect will take care of the rest.

[Lohman446]

I think we are both on the same side of the coin on this.

Plain and simple, if there is no crime to be commited in taking drugs and there is no resultant crime after getting messed up on them...the Darwin Effect will take care of the rest.

Exactly. Regulate and tax buying and selling. Think of the problems caused when there is a drug bust and junkies now "need" a hit so much worse and there normal supply is gone. You already eluded to this. These problems go away. Think of the problems around an illegal substance - I need only point out prohibition to illustrate this. I'm willing to bet a vast majority of "drug related" crimes are not buying / selling / possession but criminal activities that surround them. Decriminalize this and you do away with that. How many people "bootleg" liquor - even though it is far easier to make grain alchohol than to produce weed? Some of the major issues about meh are not the meth itself but the way of making it "in the field". Move this to labs and it can be safely made (and a far safer form to use). What about the costs of treating people who get a "hot shot" either through spiking of drugs or just poor quality control?

Now, rather than all this money spent to fight illegal drugs both here and abroad you have a revenue stream from them that will help pay for the regulation and likely offset the increase (if there are any) in health care costs associated wtih. You continue the education aspects of it and silence many of those who tell you "its not bad for you". How many people say there is not a danger in alchohol / cigarettes? You let people make there own decision, rather than trying to legislate behavior between consenting adults.

[Steelrat]

Funny, I know rather well people who have lived with lab made legal meth (prescription) for years at a time and have gotten through just fine living on a day to day basis with the aid of a substance. The matererials used to make illegal meth are indeed not something to mess with - though there are rumors of labs operating that the government ignores to allow some supply - wild rumor. I know people who were able to ween themselves off it when they chose.

When people turn to crime to support then we should punish the crime, no doubt on that one.

Again, fatty foods are addictive and over time debilitating. Perhaps should outlaw them. Perhaps not doing so is immoral. If we are going to bring the morality of legislation in I think its healthy to jog at least ten miles a week, perhaps we should legislate exercise to overcome the obesity epidemic.

I know those who drink who have fallen into "unable to cope with society" its not illegal... My point though is not that its no more dangerous than drinking, I fully acknowledge the health risks of illegal drugs (even weed). What I stand by is the idea that the government does not have the right to legislate acts among consenting adults.

If you think fatty foods and methamphetamines are even remotely comparable, there is really no point in continuing this discussion.

[Lohman446]

If you think fatty foods and methamphetamines are even remotely comparable, there is really no point in continuing this discussion.

Do I think fatty foods are nearly as dangerous as substance abuse? Not at all. The point is this, if the government has the moral right (or as you indicate the moral obligation) to protect society from dangerous substances where does it end? Is it arbitrary? Is it only substances that are addictive? Can't be, too many addictive substances are sold every day. Is it only dangerous? Can't be, too many dangerous substances are sold every day. You're dodging my side of the argument, why does the government have any right to criminalize the behaviour of consenting adults. I flat out pointed out I'd take the health effect question out of it. Let's discuss the victimless crime of suicide - criminalized by the government.

[Hotshot33610]

Just the thought of people being able to sit out in public smoking joints makes me uncomfortable. Our society already has enough problems with the stuff while it is illegal. This just adds the fear of sharing the road with legally stoned people.

[tropical_fishy]

Just the thought of people being able to sit out in public smoking joints makes me uncomfortable. Our society already has enough problems with the stuff while it is illegal. This just adds the fear of sharing the road with legally stoned people.

It wouldn't be legal to be stoned on the road. It's not legal to be drunk on the road. Apples and oranges.

[stop whining buy a mag]

Just the thought of people being able to sit out in public smoking joints makes me uncomfortable. Our society already has enough problems with the stuff while it is illegal. This just adds the fear of sharing the road with legally stoned people.

Smoking marijuana publicly would be an issue. Confined spaces with too many people sparkin a spliff can get the whole place hotboxed in under ten minutes. I can also understand the people that don't want their kids to see people getting stoned at a park.

I still haven't seen any good arguements against legalization. Now we just need a politcal party that supports it and isn't a little bizarre in some other areas.

[Soopa Villain17]

you were smokin' weed when you posted this weren't you. come on, admit it.

yea i was , as i am now. regardless , this is a good topic

[Soopa Villain17]

here ya go steelrat, my view of it



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[jdev]

i think it would help make the stupid us goverment relize marajuana isnt bad and it will help legalize that. but i dont want any of that other crap to be legal.


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it is an absolute suprise to me that this topic has made it to 3 pages.

Soopa, you have to be the dumbest person, let alone the worst candidate to borach this subject. You make no supporting arguements for your post and you just leave the rest of this to the imagination, resulting in everyone hating you, and your opinion as usual.

Please, do the rest of us a favor and stop posting. If you aren't going to at least try and have an intelligent discussion about the legalization of certain substances (in another country than the one you live in no less) then dont start the topic.

[MagMan5446]

legal enough in california for me........

[Lohman446]

i think it would help make the stupid us goverment relize marajuana isnt bad and it will help legalize that. but i dont want any of that other crap to be legal.

And when I say those who smoke wouldn't be that bad those who oppose me always pick people like this as an example. Why?

[kosmo]

Because it is easy, and fairly justified to use that meatbag as an example. Also, suicide is illegal because if it wasnt, the government would lack the authority to force help on those who attempt it.