Legalizing Drugs in Mexico !!!

[behemoth]

Short answer: Yes

(it'd be much easier for him to get his fixes that way..)

[Steelrat]

Short answer: Yes

Have you ever seen what that stuff does to people first-hand?

[behemoth]

Have you ever seen what that stuff does to people first-hand?

see above post...

[Lohman446]

Have you ever seen what that stuff does to people first-hand?

As long as there consenting adults I don't care what the effect to them is. Would I ever do them? Highly unlikely, I don't now and its not because of a lack of availability or because of drug testing. The base of my argument is that it is immoral for a government to criminalize a victimless crime.

[Steelrat]

As long as there consenting adults I don't care what the effect to them is. Would I ever do them? Highly unlikely, I don't now and its not because of a lack of availability or because of drug testing. The base of my argument is that it is immoral for a government to criminalize a victimless crime.

Its immoral to allow people to use substances that are so dangerous and debilitating. Meth alone is about one of the worst things imaginable. You are addicted almost from the first use, and it is virtually impossible to function normally while using it. You are either extremely hyper or asleep. The materials in meth are so toxic that it takes a hazmat team to clean up a lab. Now, you can argue that people can do whatever they want to themselves, but people on meth are so unable to function normally in society that they often turn to crime to feed their habit. Even if they don't, they become a burden to their family, friends, or society, as they are unable to provide for themselves. Heroin, crack, and the like are almost as bad.

[punkncat]

As long as there consenting adults I don't care what the effect to them is. Would I ever do them? Highly unlikely, I don't now and its not because of a lack of availability or because of drug testing. The base of my argument is that it is immoral for a government to criminalize a victimless crime.

The only intrest the government has in illegal drug activity is the money it brings into the system and their renewed ability to rape people of their rights and properties. As far as I am concerned I have no right to decide what people can or cannot do on their time so long as it doesn't affect me. If it leads to them stealing, etc. then it becomes my concern. When you consider how few people actually vote, you have a vast minority of people deciding what the rest can and can't do based on their generally strict and narrow minded point of view.

The prohibition of drugs has CREATED the dangerous criminal aspect of their activity. When you have a demand for a product, whatever it may be, someone will supply it. If there is no reason for that person to need to run from police or hide his activity then it eliminates much of the negative aspects attributed to drugs.

Honestly...You live in the ghetto, have no education or options, you were faced with a crappy job a McD's making chicken scratch or dealing making large...for some its a no brains choice. So if you got caught you spend life in jail OR you could "cap a fool and step" to make more $$$. Given the choice that was already made its easy to see what would appear better.

Attention need to be turned from criminalization to rehabilitation. Our jails would become way less crowded and it would free up millions (probaly even billions) of dollars from fighting a "war" that simply cannot be won. Given that millions of dollars in loss of revenue would occur as well.....

[Steelrat]

The only intrest the government has in illegal drug activity is the money it brings into the system and their renewed ability to rape people of their rights and properties. As far as I am concerned I have no right to decide what people can or cannot do on their time so long as it doesn't affect me. If it leads to them stealing, etc. then it becomes my concern. When you consider how few people actually vote, you have a vast minority of people deciding what the rest can and can't do based on their generally strict and narrow minded point of view.

The prohibition of drugs has CREATED the dangerous criminal aspect of their activity. When you have a demand for a product, whatever it may be, someone will supply it. If there is no reason for that person to need to run from police or hide his activity then it eliminates much of the negative aspects attributed to drugs.

Honestly...You live in the ghetto, have no education or options, you were faced with a crappy job a McD's making chicken scratch or dealing making large...for some its a no brains choice. So if you got caught you spend life in jail OR you could "cap a fool and step" to make more $$$. Given the choice that was already made its easy to see what would appear better.

Attention need to be turned from criminalization to rehabilitation. Our jails would become way less crowded and it would free up millions (probaly even billions) of dollars from fighting a "war" that simply cannot be won. Given that millions of dollars in loss of revenue would occur as well.....

Rehabilitation is a joke. And what money, exactly, does drug enforcement bring into the system?

[punkncat]

Rehabilitation is a joke. And what money, exactly, does drug enforcement bring into the system?

I see...so trying to help someone out of a bad situation by helping rehabilitate them is worse than hindering them with jail time and a criminal record as well as taking constitutional rights from them.

The money comes from fines, fees, and property seizures.

[stop whining buy a mag]

Its immoral to allow people to use substances that are so dangerous and debilitating. Meth alone is about one of the worst things imaginable. You are addicted almost from the first use, and it is virtually impossible to function normally while using it. You are either extremely hyper or asleep. The materials in meth are so toxic that it takes a hazmat team to clean up a lab. Now, you can argue that people can do whatever they want to themselves, but people on meth are so unable to function normally in society that they often turn to crime to feed their habit. Even if they don't, they become a burden to their family, friends, or society, as they are unable to provide for themselves. Heroin, crack, and the like are almost as bad.

I will completely agree with you there. If harder drugs were made legal, I would have no problem with it until some icehead tries to do something crazy to me as I'm walking down the street. I draw the line with drugs when people are unable to control themselves at all. Last time I got stoned, I helped a drunk friend (that couldn't walk) get home. Now if I'm completely baked, I just sit down and chill. Every once and while I'll remember I have a bag of Cheetos next to me so I'll shove my hand in there. That's about all the mischief I get in.

[Steelrat]

I see...so trying to help someone out of a bad situation by helping rehabilitate them is worse than hindering them with jail time and a criminal record as well as taking constitutional rights from them.

The money comes from fines, fees, and property seizures.

No, the joke is that rehab seldom works. Try talking to a former addict, if you can find one that isn't back on whatever they were doing. They have cravings for the rest of their lives. Addictive drugs are pure evil.

And the government spends FAR more on drug enforcement than it takes in in seizures, fines, and forfeiture. Did you really think otherwise?

[Lohman446]

Its immoral to allow people to use substances that are so dangerous and debilitating. Meth alone is about one of the worst things imaginable. You are addicted almost from the first use, and it is virtually impossible to function normally while using it. You are either extremely hyper or asleep. The materials in meth are so toxic that it takes a hazmat team to clean up a lab. Now, you can argue that people can do whatever they want to themselves, but people on meth are so unable to function normally in society that they often turn to crime to feed their habit. Even if they don't, they become a burden to their family, friends, or society, as they are unable to provide for themselves. Heroin, crack, and the like are almost as bad.

Funny, I know rather well people who have lived with lab made legal meth (prescription) for years at a time and have gotten through just fine living on a day to day basis with the aid of a substance. The matererials used to make illegal meth are indeed not something to mess with - though there are rumors of labs operating that the government ignores to allow some supply - wild rumor. I know people who were able to ween themselves off it when they chose.

When people turn to crime to support then we should punish the crime, no doubt on that one.

Again, fatty foods are addictive and over time debilitating. Perhaps should outlaw them. Perhaps not doing so is immoral. If we are going to bring the morality of legislation in I think its healthy to jog at least ten miles a week, perhaps we should legislate exercise to overcome the obesity epidemic.

I know those who drink who have fallen into "unable to cope with society" its not illegal... My point though is not that its no more dangerous than drinking, I fully acknowledge the health risks of illegal drugs (even weed). What I stand by is the idea that the government does not have the right to legislate acts among consenting adults.

[punkncat]

No, the joke is that rehab seldom works. Try talking to a former addict, if you can find one that isn't back on whatever they were doing. They have cravings for the rest of their lives. Addictive drugs are pure evil.

And the government spends FAR more on drug enforcement than it takes in in seizures, fines, and forfeiture. Did you really think otherwise?

I suppose what I have a problem with is instead of dealing with the tough issues like getting people off drugs or even the reasons why they do them in the first place, the government finds it easier to say "don't do these cause we(and a minority of the population)decided its bad for you" and if you do we will lock you in a depraved place and ruin the rest of your life....oh and lest I forget take away constitutionally protected rights like the ability to vote.

Look at what happened when alcohol was prohibited.

[Lohman446]

I suppose what I have a problem with is instead of dealing with the tough issues like getting people off drugs or even the reasons why they do them in the first place, the government finds it easier to say "don't do these cause we(and a minority of the population)decided its bad for you" and if you do we will lock you in a depraved place and ruin the rest of your life.

Look at what happened when alcohol was prohibited.

I think a majority of the population would agree that drugs are bad for you. I have a problem with rather than using the 13 years of compulsary education in the US to educate people to make there own decisions the government decides for them...

[punkncat]

I think a majority of the population would agree that drugs are bad for you. I have a problem with rather than using the 13 years of compulsary education in the US to educate people to make there own decisions the government decides for them...

No doubt that many would think they are bad, but do all or even has a majority voted in favor of the current laws and punishments for these crimes, or the strain that fighting drugs has put on our legal system and tax dollars.

Considering that a majority do not vote then the answer is no. Considering that many of the people actually involved or affected by them no longer have the right to decide it becomes even more disturbing.

[wad04]