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[MANN]

If this goes through the U.S. gov't would chicken out.

Are you talking about the same US that allows the ridiculous law suits of banning the 10 commandments from public buildings. The very rules that our goverment was built on?

The same one that will not allow the word "GOD" in schools

The same one that allows schools the right to refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance

The same one that takes all of the christmas decorations out of an airport because it does not celebrate all religious backgrounds.

The list goes on and on. Who would of thought that MCD would pay off a couple million dollars to a woman for spilling coffee on herself. Do you think they would of payed her if they thought they would win in court?

The point is that the majority of us do not think that our second amendment will be taken away therefore we really dont worry about it. Im sure if you asked your parrents/maybe some fellow AOers (Im kinda young so I would have to ask my parrents) they would have told you that it would be obserd for some of the previous events to occur, and that "Our goverment would never allow it"

We are going to sheet a brick if/when we wake up one morning and realize that we are not allowed to protect oureselves with "firearms"

I truly hope that I never see laws that do not allow citizens to own/bear arms, but you never know in this day and age. Therefore you/we need to vote/ voice our oppinions about these laws/rules that could be put in place.

[kosmo]

Are you talking about the same US that allows the ridiculous law suits of banning the 10 commandments from public buildings. The very rules that our goverment was built on?

The same one that will not allow the word "GOD" in schools

The same one that allows schools the right to refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance

The same one that takes all of the christmas decorations out of an airport because it does not celebrate all religious backgrounds.

The list goes on and on. Who would of thought that MCD would pay off a couple million dollars to a woman for spilling coffee on herself. Do you think they would of payed her if they thought they would win in court?

The point is that the majority of us do not think that our second amendment will be taken away therefore we really dont worry about it. Im sure if you asked your parrents/maybe some fellow AOers (Im kinda young so I would have to ask my parrents) they would have told you that it would be obserd for some of the previous events to occur, and that "Our goverment would never allow it"

We are going to sheet a brick if/when we wake up one morning and realize that we are not allowed to protect oureselves with "firearms"

I truly hope that I never see laws that do not allow citizens to own/bear arms, but you never know in this day and age. Therefore you/we need to vote/ voice our oppinions about these laws/rules that could be put in place.

If you dont like not living in a country that doesnt force christianity on its citizens, move somewhere else.

[Lohman446]

What I love is the idea that private citizens, most with the very minimalist of training, could stand up to our armed forces....

[Ole Unka Phil]

Thats what the Germans said when the SS was formed

Thats what the Iraqi's said about Saddam

There are 80 million of us that own guns. If we all owned them there would be far more...

But that was the intent of our forefathers to retain the right to keep and bear arms. The foresaw all that. And that was also their intent to proclude the Federal Government from maintaining a standing army during times of peace.

[Lohman446]

Thats what the Germans said when the SS was formed

Thats what the Iraqi's said about Saddam

There are 80 million of us that own guns. If we all owned them there would be far more...

But that was the intent of our forefathers to retain the right to keep and bear arms. The foresaw all that. And that was also their intent to proclude the Federal Government from maintaining a standing army during times of peace.

I agree with the intent to keep and bear arms and why it was there. However, we have allowed a basic whittling away of our rights to a point that the purpose of having that right has been undermined.

I don't agree with what has been done, but I am not optimistic about how crippling what has been done is to the reasoning for that right.

[Ole Unka Phil]

Hows thing going Rouge? Long time no speak too!

I thought that guys take on the NRA was interesting. I am an NRA member too but don't always agree with everything they do.

I am going to keep putting stuff here every few days. This is one of my rants of the year. Feel free to join in if you find something of interest.


Also... of all the Military people I know and have known... almost to a man/woman they fight to protect our country and our constitution. Not our politicians and current government. IF forced to chose... I suspect they will, for the large part, chose the Constitution and the people of the USA over some crummy politician in office. They are, after all, "the people" too. But it should not come to that. The means to make change are within each of our hands. That is to vote. And to ask the hard questions of those you vote for. The means to prevent are easily achieved through peaceful methods. As long as you exercise your right and vote. Your voting for your other rights.

[CaptaiN_JacK]

Why does the list look like it's a scare tactic towards gun-owners? You might as well name the list "The Comprehensive Political Agenda of Liberal Gun-Hating Sissys"

Give me some proof that this list is more than an email-circulated rumor.

*So you know, I am against further gun control, just in case take this post the wrong way

[Ole Unka Phil]

Captain.... it was supposedly at one point posted on the Brady site. However whether it even existed or still exists in that same format was not the real intent of posting it. It contains many things already proposed and some defeated some not at times. Plus many of the points still exist on almost all those sites even today. I was a compilation of those at one time. Its primary use here was to consolidate a lot of agenda's of certain organizations for the purpose of discussion. Thats all. I can dig and find its origin. Or we can go to those sites and find them all piece by piece if you like? The purpose of any such posting is to "lobby" a position. There is no attempt to hide that if thats what you wish to imply... I not making any bones about my position on the subject. Hardly trying to use trickery. All of that sort of thing is well out in the open.

Also... keep in mind, if you watch that video... one reason that lady is doubly upset and a primary reason for testifying (as if the Murder of her Mother and Father were not enough) is that she had a Gun locked in the trunk of her car. She did so because she was not legaly allowed to carry it into the dinner where the shootings occured. So she is doubly frustrated at having had something to defend her family and herself with that she was not allowed to have within reach. It must have been even more agonizing to her to be so close but yet so far away from some chance of self protection.

[Lenny]

Wait. I read something about this sort of thing somewhere. It kinda countered what they trying to. What was it...?

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Ahh. Right. It's in our consitution.

I wonder what they're definition of "infringed" is.

So, anyone wanna join arms and start a "well-regulated" milita? We'd need a cool name. Like "George Washington's Men" or something shnazzy. And I'd probably have to buy something better than a Bermingham muzzle loader...

[wjr]

It won't pass, it goes against our constitution, thus instantly making it void.

Why has everyone ignored this post? He's right.

These people that propose this sort of thing intend to make you subservient to your Governement because they ARE the Government and they don't think your smart enough to deal with these sorts of things on your own. Plus, they need to disarm you in order to control you. And they could care less if you are left defensless because THEY get to keep thier guns and body gaurds. Wake up. A new threat is coming.

I just can't see at all where you're coming from on this.

From reading this thread, I can see that I'm the polar opposite to most people here, so I'll keep my opinions to myself.

Just know that there are some paintball enthusiasts who are

Liberal Gun-Hating Sissys

[Lohman446]

It won't pass, it goes against our constitution, thus instantly making it void.

Why has everyone ignored this post? He's right.

Because although it would seem painfully obvious it actually comes down to being a pretty naive statement.

[MANN]

If you dont like not living in a country that doesnt force christianity on its citizens, move somewhere else.

I agree 100% with seperation of church and state, however I do not agree with appeasing the "minority" The religion examples were just off the top of my head on a monday morning, and nothing else. It shows how something that has been an americian tradition like Gun Ownership could/might be taken away by those "Liberal Gun-Hating Sissys"

[DSR75]

Why has everyone ignored this post? He's right.

His post, in theory is correct, yet in actuality it is wrong. The gov't has twisted the constitution so much throughout the years that in it's current state, it no longer reflects it's origins. Take Lincoln for example. During the War Between the States (Another topic, a civil war is when one side tries to overthrow the gov't, the South wanted to leave, not overthrow) Lincoln blatently suspended Habeus Corpus, he censored the media for criticizing his actions to the point where he exiled the editor. This was during war time but it is a clear example of how the Constitution, in theory, protects the citizens but in the end it is nothing more than a piece of old paper.

[Ole Unka Phil]

Why has everyone ignored this post? He's right.



I just can't see at all where you're coming from on this.

From reading this thread, I can see that I'm the polar opposite to most people here, so I'll keep my opinions to myself.

Just know that there are some paintball enthusiasts who are

Then why must we fill out paper work, submit finger prints and obtain an FBI background check just to get a permit to carry one?

Why do many have to do the same thing in order to even buy one? If its every mans right and no such laws can be valid then why are they already there? And why are even further ones proposed?

Why do we have to go through all that if the constitution is already protecting us and making it all null and void?

Doesn't seem to be working now does it? Why is it not working? Because we have allowed it.


You are fully within your rights to give up your means of self protection. But you are completely not within your rights to deny that to another law abiding citizen.

By the way... someone brought up Seperation of Church and State. Thats not in the constitution. Never had been never was. Freedom to practice your religon is but there is no garantee of seperation of church and state anywhere in the constitution. People can never be seperated from the moral fiber of thier being and that is thier religon. It will be present in thier very actions and core and no one can ask someone to dismiss that part of thier lives. It would be folly to think that they could. This country was founded on Christian prinicpals predominantly so its not too suprising it has a heavy influence.

[wjr]

By the way... someone brought up Seperation of Church and State. Thats not in the constitution. Never had been never was.

That's true. The exact phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the constitution. Neither does the exact phrase "right to privacy" and "right to a fair trial". Just because those exact words aren't in the constitution does not mean that the concept is not there.

Then why must we fill out paper work, submit finger prints and obtain an FBI background check just to get a permit to carry one?

Why do many have to do the same thing in order to even buy one? If its every mans right and no such laws can be valid then why are they already there? And why are even further ones proposed?

It's not preventing you from carrying a gun or owning one. Imagine what it would be like if there were no such laws. Then anyone could buy and carry a gun. And for me, I know that I'm safe not because I carry a gun, but because I know that there are preventative measures keeping other people from buying and carrying them.