Can the police do that?

[Steelrat]

So far we have seen ridiculous opinions regarding the legality of motor vehicle stops and drug usage. Anyone else want to chime in and make a fool out of yourself?

Lohman, I would have jumped in sooner, but there is just no helping some people. It's just proof of natural selection.

[Lohman446]

your statement doesnt make sense, you havent given me any credit in the first place

I did, when I said I figured you did not mean what you said.

[acecl22]

exactly, i cant say anything about heroine, all i have to go on for that is word of mouth, and word of mouth is always skewed in some way or another. if any of you ever decide to experiment, you will realize that most of my opinions are pretty accurate, but again, they are just opinions, as are all of your responses to me.

now, back to the original argument, i feel that cocaine, shrooms, weed, nicotine, caffeine, and a few others are less dangerous (overall) than alcohol. someone prove me wrong, i want concrete proof.

[Lohman446]

exactly, i cant say anything about heroine, all i have to go on for that is word of mouth, and word of mouth is always skewed in some way or another. if any of you ever decide to experiment, you will realize that most of my opinions are pretty accurate, but again, they are just opinions, as are all of your responses to me.

now, back to the original argument, i feel that cocaine, shrooms, weed, nicotine, caffeine, and a few others are less dangerous (overall) than alcohol. someone prove me wrong, i want concrete proof.

Dead bodies? What do you want. Your comparing your own observations in what are highly uncontrolled environments. If I pull out controlled testing you will go off about "government influence" or some such. Your comparing a small amount of cocaine (likely) to a near deadly amount of alchohol consumption. As you have said, word of mouth is skewed in some way or another but it is all you offer to support your argument.

[BobTheCow]

^^ what he said, too.

now, back to the original argument, i feel that cocaine, shrooms, weed, nicotine, caffeine, and a few others are less dangerous (overall) than alcohol. someone prove me wrong, i want concrete proof.

Haha, that's not how it works, buddy. You're the one making the ridiculous claim, it's your job to provide some sort of proof to back it up.

[acecl22]

until we know exactly how the human mind works, there can be no physical proof of the level of impairment of any of these drugs, me wanting proof was sarcastic since all of you keep asking me for sources on this information, and i am telling you that i am the source, these are my own opinions. nobody else has any first hand experience with any of the other drugs ive mentioned, so why is your opinion more valid than mine? why is my claim so unbelieveable?

[SCpoloRicker]

nobody else has any first hand experience with any of the other drugs ive mentioned, so why is your opinion more valid than mine? why is my claim so unbelieveable?

[acecl22]

since there is a deadly amount of alcohol consumption, but no deadly amount of thc consumption, right off the bat, doesnt that make weed less dangerous than alcohol?

[acecl22]

scpoloricker, i meant to say that it seems that nobody has any experience, or at least nobody has spoken up about it yet. i wouldnt mind someone coming into this thread and being like "yeah ive done coke before too, youre not exactly right on that" or "yeah ive done coke before too, i definitely get more messed up on alcohol"

[Steelrat]

scpoloricker, i meant to say that it seems that nobody has any experience, or at least nobody has spoken up about it yet. i wouldnt mind someone coming into this thread and being like "yeah ive done coke before too, youre not exactly right on that" or "yeah ive done coke before too, i definitely get more messed up on alcohol"

So, in order to say that murder is bad, I have to have committed murder? Your logic is flawed.

[Lohman446]

until we know exactly how the human mind works, there can be no physical proof of the level of impairment of any of these drugs, me wanting proof was sarcastic since all of you keep asking me for sources on this information, and i am telling you that i am the source, these are my own opinions. nobody else has any first hand experience with any of the other drugs ive mentioned, so why is your opinion more valid than mine? why is my claim so unbelieveable?

Because your base assertion that you have all the experience and noone else does is flat out wrong and your statements are ridiculous when compared to the observations of controlled and repeatable studies. Not to mention, even the source you sight (which I am not even considering valid) does not support your claims of alchohol being worse than all other drugs.

The opinions expressed contrary to yours are more valid because they are supported by logical, rational arguments. I think my seven year old daughter could come up with a more rational and defendable argument than you have presented.

Your argument *might* work for weed, but I did not mention weed in the counter arguments I made. I mentioned heroine, cocaine, lsd and other hard drugs. Lets add Meth in there. You going to try to tell me that alchohol is more dangerous than meth? You did say it was *the* most dangerous drug.

[PyRo]

I think this about sums it up.

http://www.ahammo3.justgotowned.com/

[acecl22]

so lohman, have you ever tried any of those hard drugs, if so, which ones and what is the most that you have taken at one time?

ive never done crystal meth, but methamphetamines are used all of the time, ADD medicine for example, crystal meth is just the version that is smoked. while it is much more addictive than alcohol, people on alcohol are much less predictable than someone on speed who just has tons and tons of energy.

all drugs affect your mind, all to varying degrees, but alcohol affects your whole brain, not just sections of your brain like many of the other drugs

[acecl22]

oh, i dont recall saying that i have ALL the experience, i dont, but nobody has said that they have more experience than me (im talking about this thread alone, not the rest of the world here people)

[Lohman446]

so lohman, have you ever tried any of those hard drugs, if so, which ones and what is the most that you have taken at one time?

ive never done crystal meth, but methamphetamines are used all of the time, ADD medicine for example, crystal meth is just the version that is smoked. while it is much more addictive than alcohol, people on alcohol are much less predictable than someone on speed who just has tons and tons of energy.

all drugs affect your mind, all to varying degrees, but alcohol affects your whole brain, not just sections of your brain like many of the other drugs

Are you honestly stating that someone on alchohol is safer to be around then someone on Meth? Have you ever been around someone on Meth, or someone withdrawing from it? We are not discussing the clean versions used in very small doses to deal with medical problems, nor are we discussing the person who has one beer. We are discussing the abuse of these drugs. What about the manufacture of? Recall, you did say most dangerous. I would say it is pretty clear that meth is more deadly than alchohol from manufacture, through use, through long term effects, and through withdrawal. Your statement that someone on speed is predictable and just has lots of energy indicates that you do not in fact have any experience with the abuse of it

Any direct experience I have is 100% irrelevant to the discussion, understand though you're card that you are the "only person with direct experience" is invalid.