Can the police do that?

[Lohman446]

There are significant differences in the physiological reaction to drugs and alcohol. It's possible to be a casual drinker. It's not possible to be a casual meth/heroin/crack user.

I watched a handful of people succeed at being moderate term (about 3 years) regular users and be productive and (I assume) stop using. That being said, I know of far more than a handful from the same group who failed at either being productive of stopping.

[SCpoloRicker]

FWIW, I have several friends inI I-banking, Real Estate, and other high profile occupations that are fairly regular cocaine users.

[Steelrat]

FWIW, I have several friends inI I-banking, Real Estate, and other high profile occupations that are fairly regular cocaine users.

Trust me, for every functional one you see, there's plenty who are non-functional. Which is the opposite of alcohol, where the majority are casual users.

That being said, you'll note I left cocaine off my list. Coke users tend to be a bit more functional than meth, heroin, and crack users, though I still despise the drug. Then again, I despise pot too, so take it for what it's worth.

[SCpoloRicker]

...so take it for what it's worth.

*snert*

"No, I mean... uh, really."

"Oh."

"Yeah... so..."

[acecl22]

cocain is comperable to caffeine, if its used in moderation, it can have its benefits, as can most drugs, its the abuse of drugs that sends people down the poop-hole. weed can be used in moderation as well, and produces a much friendlier, calmer, more relaxed environment than alcohol. alcohol changes your midset dramatically, it reduces your inhibitions, which make it appealing to the socially challenged individuals who are usually too scared of their own shadow to speak up about things. alcohol produces a 'party' mindset, people are more sociable around eachother, but at the flip of a switch, it can escalate into violence and beligerency. Name another drug that induces violent behavior, i know the answers will be 'i drink socially, and ive never been violent', and yeah, thats fine, but the majority of people in a confrontation while drunk or buzzed will usually escalate the situation further (beer muscles). I dont think many other drugs make you violent for no reason.

[IronCore]

alcohol makes me sleepy but i guess that's just me. But for sure whem Im tired I get short tempered.
Maybe to most people they have the combination. As alcohol makes them tired but they still want to party, then it makes a bad combanation and the result is that they get cranky or violent. Do I make sense kinda maybe...Im going to bed

[Lohman446]

cocain is comperable to caffeine, if its used in moderation, it can have its benefits, as can most drugs, its the abuse of drugs that sends people down the poop-hole. weed can be used in moderation as well, and produces a much friendlier, calmer, more relaxed environment than alcohol. alcohol changes your midset dramatically, it reduces your inhibitions, which make it appealing to the socially challenged individuals who are usually too scared of their own shadow to speak up about things. alcohol produces a 'party' mindset, people are more sociable around eachother, but at the flip of a switch, it can escalate into violence and beligerency. Name another drug that induces violent behavior, i know the answers will be 'i drink socially, and ive never been violent', and yeah, thats fine, but the majority of people in a confrontation while drunk or buzzed will usually escalate the situation further (beer muscles). I dont think many other drugs make you violent for no reason.

LSD just makes you try to shoot the scarier of the halucinations....

[Lohman446]

In regards to how destructive the drug is. None of my arguments for the legalization for such are dependent on how destructive the drug is. I couldn't care less if someone wanted to poison themselves to death, it is not my duty, or right, to stop them with laws.

[MagMan5446]

So anyway drugs are not good. The cases that people hear about meth users are the homeless, nasty park campin that take shots in their neck. What people don't hear about is maybe how that person was for years and years into his use.

There's people that wake up and roll a bowl and go to their business or their work and they are productive people. There are more users like this than you'd think. I'm not defending anything, but no one should think that you do meth twice or even 20 times and you're addicted and a complete goner.

It's when these people's lives breakdown or they get arrested or lose everything, which is pretty much the case for everybody that I know. They end up just bums. It really is sad.

Coke is the killer. I believe that coke is worse than meth, especially when people are smoking it. It makes you fiend a lot. You can spend a lot of money in a night because after a half hour you start fiendin.

Legalization is not always the best solution. Why would you want to legalize hard drugs? Just because people have the right to do as they please?

I know a lot of this argument is just people expressing that they feel alcohols more dangerous than coke or some other drug. People on this thread are talkin about coke like it's nothing. Comparing it to pot. People should speak from experience and not what the media portrays.

Drugs, alcohol and addiction all on the same field and can ruin peoples lives just the same. It doesn't matter what the substance is, if you're addicted to alcohol, it's not pretty. Same with meth. Crack and heroin seriously lower standards of people, as does meth but I think crack and heroin make you do some nasty things. But addiction is addiction and none is better than the other.

[Steelrat]

There are more users like this than you'd think. I'm not defending anything, but no one should think that you do meth twice or even 20 times and you're addicted and a complete goner.

O RLY?

Done any research to back that up? Because current research sure as heck doesn't. I agree with most of your points, but meth addiction tends to be very fast, and very strong.

[MagMan5446]

I'm not trying to be cool or anything or give anybody the wrong idea, but my "research" is all pretty much from life.

One thing that is true with all substances is different people are effected differently. Some people just can not stop using meth. Some people will always be maintainance users their whole lives. Some people can smoke meth for a week and be ok if they don't want to do it. Some can for a month I'm sure. The physical withdrawal symptoms don't usually appear too bad in users that haven't been using too long, such as the first year or even two. A lot of the symptoms newer users have are in their head.

Also it's how they live. When people start staying awake for 5+ days, that's when you really start to go a little nuts. But when people use for a day and get some rest, they can usually be ok or at least just not as weird.

You are right though, it can be a very fast and strong addiction though. It depends on the person.

[Archangel Kid]

I'm not trying to be cool or anything or give anybody the wrong idea, but my "research" is all pretty much from life.

One thing that is true with all substances is different people are effected differently. Some people just can not stop using meth. Some people will always be maintainance users their whole lives. Some people can smoke meth for a week and be ok if they don't want to do it. Some can for a month I'm sure. The physical withdrawal symptoms don't usually appear too bad in users that haven't been using too long, such as the first year or even two. A lot of the symptoms newer users have are in their head.

Also it's how they live. When people start staying awake for 5+ days, that's when you really start to go a little nuts. But when people use for a day and get some rest, they can usually be ok or at least just not as weird.

You are right though, it can be a very fast and strong addiction though. It depends on the person.

No one can use meth for a month and be ok. Period, end of story. Most people won't be able to smoke it for a week and be ok. Meth is one of the most addicting drugs, right behind heroine.

Are you serious in saying that using meth for a year or two isn't a long time? A day is too long for meth. Imagine blowing 5 lines of coke, taking a few speed pills, and having the worst fit of rage you can have. Meth users smoke the meth, destroy EVERYTHING around them, and then fiend until they can smoke it again.

Ohh and btw, you won't smoke meth and have a days rest. It just won't happen, you'll be staying up for hours whether you're high or trying to find it.

[acecl22]

No one can use meth for a month and be ok. Period, end of story. Most people won't be able to smoke it for a week and be ok. Meth is one of the most addicting drugs, right behind heroine.

Are you serious in saying that using meth for a year or two isn't a long time? A day is too long for meth. Imagine blowing 5 lines of coke, taking a few speed pills, and having the worst fit of rage you can have. Meth users smoke the meth, destroy EVERYTHING around them, and then fiend until they can smoke it again.

Ohh and btw, you won't smoke meth and have a days rest. It just won't happen, you'll be staying up for hours whether you're high or trying to find it.

The symptoms you described right there are probably; 1. what you have heard from various un-reliable sources or 2. your own reaction to the drug. Drugs affect each individual person in a different way, you never know how a drug will affect someone, just as you never know how alcohol will affect someone.

[MagMan5446]

Glad you paid attention to your DARE class...

[Steelrat]

The symptoms you described right there are probably; 1. what you have heard from various un-reliable sources or 2. your own reaction to the drug. Drugs affect each individual person in a different way, you never know how a drug will affect someone, just as you never know how alcohol will affect someone.

Are you kidding? If that were true, how do perscription drugs work? What use would medication be if the effect it has was widely variable? There might be a small, small minority that a drug affects differently, but the vast majority of people react the same way.

And what, by the way, are the "reliable" sources you obtain your information from? I'd love to see a credible source say that some people can use meth without adverse effects.