Can the police do that?

[Ken Majors]

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Gotta love it.

[maxama10]

The symptoms you described right there are probably; 1. what you have heard from various un-reliable sources or 2. your own reaction to the drug. Drugs affect each individual person in a different way, you never know how a drug will affect someone, just as you never know how alcohol will affect someone.

DUDE!!!!! ARE U TELLIN ME I CAN DRINK LOTS AND NOT GET DRUNK!!!?????????????


u must be smartz




/Pretty sure we can all agree that excessive drinking WILL make you drunk. Therefore we know how alcohol will affect a given person. No?

//while were at it, read these:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoxyn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth

///Im not sure if you realized what Meth is or even what a stimulant is and what they do?

[acecl22]

obviously there isnt going to be a wide degree of variation, even to interperet my words that way is simply retarded. Every persons brain is different, their thoughts, feelings, memories, upbringing, etc. these all contribute to a slightly different reaction to a drug.

drinking for example, yeah, obviously you know that if someone drinks alot of alcohol, they will become drunk, thats plain common sense. what you dont know is if he will become an angry drunk, a violent drunk, a destructive drunk, a sad drunk, a sentimental drunk, an emotional drunk, you just never know. so while i drink alot and become calm and happy, another of my friends becomes wild, unpredictable, and destructive.

so how can you tell me that a drug affects people in the same way?

meth is an extreme case, and i have no evidence to back this up, but i am sure that it affects everyone in a slightly different way, if not a dramatically different way.

[acecl22]

DUDE!!!!! ARE U TELLIN ME I CAN DRINK LOTS AND NOT GET DRUNK!!!?????????????


u must be smartz




/Pretty sure we can all agree that excessive drinking WILL make you drunk. Therefore we know how alcohol will affect a given person. No?

//while were at it, read these:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoxyn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth

///Im not sure if you realized what Meth is or even what a stimulant is and what they do?

dont patronize me with your wikipedia knowledge, just because youve read something about a mind altering drug, does not mean that you know everything about it and its affects. what you know is a biased account of the drug, and we've concluded that there isnt a really unbiased way to classify drugs in any logical order.

obviously drinking excessivly will make you drunk, but there is a plethora of defenitions for the word "drunk"

and yes, i am smart, and yes, you sound like a retard

*edit* for the last time, i am not claiming that i know everything about drugs, or that i have sources other than myself to back up my information, but i know a fair deal more about the subject matter than some (some, not all) of you *edit*

[acecl22]

oh, and the destructiveness to the user of the drug alone should be disreguarded in this argument. ciggies for example are very destructive to the user, but very little physical harm is done to anyone else (second hand smoke, unless engulfed in it and inhaling it every second, is relatively harmless).

its funny, throughout this whole discussion, nobody has mentioned the negative physical side effects of alcohol.

here are the positive effects of alcohol:
relaxation
mood lift, happiness, giddiness
talkativeness
lowered inhibitions / reduced social anxiety
analgesia (kills pain)

here are all the negative side effects of alcohol:

decreased coordination
nausea, vomiting (vomiting while unconscious can kill)
reduced impulse control
emotional volatility (anger, violence, sadness, etc)
frequent urination (more with beer or wine), diuretic effect
dizziness and confusion
blackouts and memory loss at high doses
coma and death at extreme doses
brain and liver damage (cirrhosis) with heavy use
lowered inhibitions and increased confusion can lead to unwanted and negative sexual encounters (date rape)
hangover, lasting 12-36 hours, from mild to severe after heavy use
fetus damage in pregnant women at high dose or frequency


and if you think that just one beer at dinner isnt effecting you, you really are thickheaded, any amount of alcohol in your system has an effect on you, the only reason people drink alcohol is to feel the effects of the drug. even if you just have one beer, that one beer is affecting your brain, and while you may think that you can function at top performance, your brain will be inpercievably affected (maybe that relaxed feeling after a beer, or the slight lightheadedness or "buzz" as people call it)

[acecl22]

and i am willing to bet that more innocent lives are killed each year as a result of a drunk driver than as a result of any other drug user. that is really the reason that i said that alcohol is the most dangerous overall drug. innocent lives are lost when people become irrational, alcohol hinders rational thought.

[Steelrat]

Comparisons to alcohol: The last refuge of the pro-drug advocates.

[Steelrat]

obviously there isnt going to be a wide degree of variation, even to interperet my words that way is simply retarded. Every persons brain is different, their thoughts, feelings, memories, upbringing, etc. these all contribute to a slightly different reaction to a drug.

drinking for example, yeah, obviously you know that if someone drinks alot of alcohol, they will become drunk, thats plain common sense. what you dont know is if he will become an angry drunk, a violent drunk, a destructive drunk, a sad drunk, a sentimental drunk, an emotional drunk, you just never know. so while i drink alot and become calm and happy, another of my friends becomes wild, unpredictable, and destructive.

so how can you tell me that a drug affects people in the same way?

meth is an extreme case, and i have no evidence to back this up, but i am sure that it affects everyone in a slightly different way, if not a dramatically different way.

Dude, drunk is drunk. I don't care if it's a happy drunk, angry drunk, or stupid drunk behind the wheel of a car, the physiological effects are the same, i.e. reduced reaction time, impaired decision making. THATS what concerns me. Not how you behave sitting around having a kegger at the frat.

Same with meth. I don't care if you are a trippy tweaker or one of the ones who screws 24/7, the debilitating effects are still the same. Though I could care less what it does to someone, the fact is that tweakers have a hard time functioning in society, and often have to turn to crime to fuel their habit. Not because the drugs themselves are illegal, but because the people can't carry a job that supports their habit, or even carry a job at all. Whether the drugs are legal or illegal, the people are going to have trouble finding a legitimate way of purchasing them. How would that change with legalized drugs? Unless you plan on giving them away, they would still be a commodity that needs to be paid for.

[MagMan5446]

Dude, drunk is drunk. I don't care if it's a happy drunk, angry drunk, or stupid drunk behind the wheel of a car, the physiological effects are the same, i.e. reduced reaction time, impaired decision making. THATS what concerns me. Not how you behave sitting around having a kegger at the frat.

Same with meth. I don't care if you are a trippy tweaker or one of the ones who screws 24/7, the debilitating effects are still the same. Though I could care less what it does to someone, the fact is that tweakers have a hard time functioning in society, and often have to turn to crime to fuel their habit. Not because the drugs themselves are illegal, but because the people can't carry a job that supports their habit, or even carry a job at all. Whether the drugs are legal or illegal, the people are going to have trouble finding a legitimate way of purchasing them. How would that change with legalized drugs? Unless you plan on giving them away, they would still be a commodity that needs to be paid for.

pretty much on the button.

[maxama10]

dont patronize me with your wikipedia knowledge, just because youve read something about a mind altering drug, does not mean that you know everything about it and its affects. what you know is a biased account of the drug, and we've concluded that there isnt a really unbiased way to classify drugs in any logical order.

obviously drinking excessivly will make you drunk, but there is a plethora of defenitions for the word "drunk"

and yes, i am smart, and yes, you sound like a retard

*edit* for the last time, i am not claiming that i know everything about drugs, or that i have sources other than myself to back up my information, but i know a fair deal more about the subject matter than some (some, not all) of you *edit*

Oh, Im sorry man...I should have used my opinions and hypothetical knowledge, i mean a more reliable source

[Pneumagger]

and i am willing to bet that more innocent lives are killed each year as a result of a drunk driver than as a result of any other drug user. that is really the reason that i said that alcohol is the most dangerous overall drug. innocent lives are lost when people become irrational, alcohol hinders rational thought.

I said it once in the thread - I'll restate it...

Saying that alcohol causes more deaths than meth therefore it's more dangerous is a retarded statement. This is an example of how many people will twist a factual statistic to suit their argument. True, more people die from alcohol then meth per year - however you cant compare a base statistic of a drug used by nearly 75% of persons over the age of 18 versus the base statistic of a drug used by just over 5% of all persons.

FOR EXAMPLE - I'm sure more people are killed per year by handguns than rocket launchers. Does that mean a handgun is more dangerous than a rocket launcher?

Furthermore - drinking is usually a public social action, so what percentage of that 75% do you think uses a car to get there and back versus what percentage of that 5% drives under the influence of meth. Basically, alot of people who are out drinking are driving home (or elsewhere). Most people doing meth aren't going to be driving. If meth usage was as widespread as alcohol usage with the same percentage of influenced people driving - I'm sure auto fatalities due to meth would be very comparable with those due to alcohol.

Finally - The negative externalities of meth dwarf the negative externalities of alcohol on a level playing field, no matter how much of it you personally smoke to support your own claims as valid evidence based on experience.
***Prayin' don't make me theologian just like tokin' up don't make you an expert.***

[Lenny]

I said it once in the thread - I'll restate it...

Saying that alcohol causes more deaths than meth therefore it's more dangerous is a retarded statement. This is an example of how many people will twist a factual statistic to suit their argument. True, more people die from alcohol then meth per year - however you cant compare a base statistic of a drug used by nearly 75% of persons over the age of 18 versus the base statistic of a drug used by just over 5% of all persons.

FOR EXAMPLE - I'm sure more people are killed per year by handguns than rocket launchers. Does that mean a handgun is more dangerous than a rocket launcher?

Furthermore - drinking is usually a public social action, so what percentage of that 75% do you think uses a car to get there and back versus what percentage of that 5% drives under the influence of meth. Basically, alot of people who are out drinking are driving home (or elsewhere). Most people doing meth aren't going to be driving. If meth usage was as widespread as alcohol usage with the same percentage of influenced people driving - I'm sure auto fatalities due to meth would be very comparable with those due to alcohol.

Finally - The negative externalities of meth dwarf the negative externalities of alcohol on a level playing field, no matter how much of it you personally smoke to support your own claims as valid evidence based on experience.
***Prayin' don't make me theologian just like tokin' up don't make you an expert.***

Joe FTW

[MagMan5446]

I said it once in the thread - I'll restate it...

Saying that alcohol causes more deaths than meth therefore it's more dangerous is a retarded statement. This is an example of how many people will twist a factual statistic to suit their argument. True, more people die from alcohol then meth per year - however you cant compare a base statistic of a drug used by nearly 75% of persons over the age of 18 versus the base statistic of a drug used by just over 5% of all persons.

FOR EXAMPLE - I'm sure more people are killed per year by handguns than rocket launchers. Does that mean a handgun is more dangerous than a rocket launcher?

Furthermore - drinking is usually a public social action, so what percentage of that 75% do you think uses a car to get there and back versus what percentage of that 5% drives under the influence of meth. Basically, alot of people who are out drinking are driving home (or elsewhere). Most people doing meth aren't going to be driving. If meth usage was as widespread as alcohol usage with the same percentage of influenced people driving - I'm sure auto fatalities due to meth would be very comparable with those due to alcohol.

Finally - The negative externalities of meth dwarf the negative externalities of alcohol on a level playing field, no matter how much of it you personally smoke to support your own claims as valid evidence based on experience.
***Prayin' don't make me theologian just like tokin' up don't make you an expert.***

I'm pretty sure that you drive better on meth than when you're drunk... and why wouldnt people doing meth not drive?

Meth usage is very widespread, while not on par with alcohol, there's not such a vast difference as you think. Abuse of alcohol causes serious problems as does abuse of meth. There's no "dwarfing" involved with any serious addiction as hard drugs and alcohol.

[Pneumagger]

I'm pretty sure that you drive better on meth than when you're drunk... and why wouldnt people doing meth not drive?

Meth usage is very widespread, while not on par with alcohol, there's not such a vast difference as you think. Abuse of alcohol causes serious problems as does abuse of meth. There's no "dwarfing" involved with any serious addiction as hard drugs and alcohol.

I would like to see some real data, or even scientific qualitative studies, that show the populous of meth users drive better under it's influence versus alcohol's influence.

I would assume while one is doing illegal drugs, they would remain out of the public view - however, the mere fact that they are doing illegal drugs shoots their judgment to hell anyways. So that may have been a poor assumption.

However, the percentages of users I stated are factual data I got off of a government website studying the usage of many different drugs. Those percentages are from 2005ish IIRC and are presented in the fashion of "n" users divided by the "N" population --> n/N=percentage of users.

As far as the dwarfing, your claiming something like meth does not have a greater negative externality versus something like alcohol (when abused)? Any addiction, whether to drugs or not, is certainly damaging. I'm just saying with all things equal, something like meth blows alcohol outta the water.

[thecavemankevin]

why is this thread still alive?