Finished my Pnuematic Trigger Frame...

[Duck Hunt]

phishphen, you need a better camera!!

About the MPS-2, it looks like it'd do the job really well, since the actuator is spring return it'll come back on its own, and the SMAV-3 is spring return, so if the MPS-2 is spring return, you won't need the exhaust from the actuator to return it?

I'll buy it anyway hehehe


Sean

[noahyay]

the valve has no way for the air pressure to exhaust because once air goes in there is no where for it to go.

where would you get a dye frame for an automag and how much are they?

[phishphen]

phishphen, you need a better camera!!

About the MPS-2, it looks like it'd do the job really well, since the actuator is spring return it'll come back on its own, and the SMAV-3 is spring return, so if the MPS-2 is spring return, you won't need the exhaust from the actuator to return it?

I'll buy it anyway hehehe


Sean

yea i know. I'm gonna see if i can borrow a better camera.
i would hold off from buying the MPS-2 for right now. Mainly cuz Clippard charges 16 dollars in shipping alone, REGUARDLESS of the price of the item. The MPS-2 has a spring to return it, that i am not worried about. The problem is how to turn it into a 3-way. This valve is normally closed, and when the stem is pressed, opens the valve and air escapes from the Exhaust. So i was thinking, all you need to do is Tap the exhuast and put a barb there, then connect the exhuast barb to the actuator. The only problem is that when you "unpress" the stem on the MPS-2, the line going from the exhuast to the actuator is STILL pressurized. Thats were i cant figure it out. In a 3-way, this gas would be vented, but with the MPS-2, it DOESN"t get vented.
BOSSMAN has mentioned that he has an idea he wants to try out w/ respect the MPS-2. I'm gonna wait and see how his experiment turns out....

i was thinking, though, you can get a shorter pull with the SMAV-3 and maybe still keep or even lighten the trigger pull. I haven't done this yet but THE ELECTRICIAN and BOSSMAN suggested pulling out the spring from the SMAV-3. That will DEFINETLY ligthen the trigger pull. With that in mind, place the SMAV-3 further down on the trigger, away from the triggger pivot. Therefore, you can lessen the trigger pull distance and keep the pull iteself pretty light. Any small distance the stem travels is Magnified at the bottom of the trigger. So if you shorten the distance between the SMAV-3 stem and the bottom of the trigger, you lessen the Magnified effect. What you could do is put the SMAV-3 at the bottom of the trigger, thus trigger pull = stem travel, and , if i remeber correct, the min travel i have my SMAV-3 stem traveling and still work correctly is about 1/32 maybe A TINNNNNY bit more than that. BUT DEFINITELY LESS THAN 1/16" travel....

[phishphen]

the valve has no way for the air pressure to exhaust because once air goes in there is no where for it to go.

where would you get a dye frame for an automag and how much are they?

you don't need a dye frame to do this mod. If i had my choice, i would have done this in an intelli-frame, mainly cuz you can put a blade trigger or even better, a FIREBLADE trigger in it
i used the dye frame cuz thats what came wit my gun when i bought it. The dye frame doesn't have anymore room than an intelli-frame does. If its room you want and maybe less milling, try looking into (rogues 90* frames?) the ones at www.themagsmith.com....

[noahyay]

what we need here is an automag frame designed for a place to put a mpa-3 actuator and a smav 3 way

we cant sell them with the parts in it though because we would be infringing patents

i saw frymarker make a z grip out of resin that apparently worked. this would be great for prototypes and messing around with

[SlartyBartFast]

Could the ram be mounted in an Emag trigger frame to replace the solenoid?

TIme for a list of parts and a convenient way to order them all together....

[noahyay]

can emag sears fit in rt pros?

if they can someone ought to make a pneumatic conversion with a larger ram inside the grip and not up near the top

[phishphen]

what we need here is an automag frame designed for a place to put a mpa-3 actuator and a smav 3 way

we cant sell them with the parts in it though because we would be infringing patents

i saw frymarker make a z grip out of resin that apparently worked. this would be great for prototypes and messing around with

An automag frame designed for an mpa-3 and smav 3 would be PERFECT!!! The part that took the longest was milling out the frame. once that was done, rigging it up took only a few hours.

SlartyBartFast:
i really dont know much about emags and their frames, sorry brother.....
hang tight for a parts list. im workin on it. give me a week or 2.....

Noahyay:

The ELECTRICIAN did something similar to what i think your talking about, attaching the actuator to the sear. kinda like how an emag works. If thats the case, The ELECTRICAN observed BAD sear wear with that set up. The setup he went with, and i went with too, resulted in no sear wear. I know its a pain in da butt to mill out so much of the frame, but in the long run it will pay off. Plus, everything looks more conceeld

[SlartyBartFast]

can emag sears fit in rt pros?

It's the same sear but with the added "leg" to attach to the solenoid plunger.

[SlartyBartFast]

SlartyBartFast:
i really dont know much about emags and their frames, sorry brother.....

No need to be sorry. Doesn't look like you can buy them from the AGD store now...

[Duck Hunt]

Bart, the way that RAMs work, you'd need to "pull" the sear down, like the solenoid on the emag does. In that case if you wanted to mount a ram like an autococker ram and not the pilot actuator the electrician and phishphen used, you'd be better off cutting the legs off the sear, and using a single acting ram to "push" up on the sear, right around where the on off is.

Sean

[SlartyBartFast]

Bart, the way that RAMs work, you'd need to "pull" the sear down, like the solenoid on the emag does.

That's obvious. Don't know what I was thinking....

["Joe"]

OOO, I might have to pick up another mag to try this out...

[the electrician]

well you're welcome! you can just call me ~E~
I learned alot from the man himself Punisher of Punisher's Customs. he makes the coolest stuff I've ever seen.
it's good to see people doing the mod with succes. good to see people get the motivation and follow through.

MPS-2 would probably need to be modified internally to make it a 3-way. I've thought of trying to use a QEV to exhaust the air, but they need to see a drop in upstream pressure to work. about 5 psi for 50 psi of operating pressure. I'll have to take a look at that valve and do some cipherin'.

if you can get your trigger down to 2 oz and 1mm, you won't need electronics. you'll have a seriously fast gun.

you know guys, I have an account at clippard. no handling charges!
if we get a decent order together, I'll put it through.

slartybartfast- I'd love to convert an AGD e-mag, to an Electrician's e-mag with a ram and mini solenoid valve.

[tippy]

how bout have a ram that hits a valve when it extends all the way?

this would allow the use of a 2 way

noahyay(this is my friends account)