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  • punkncat
    One foot less
    • Feb 2003
    • 5841

    #1

    Ya know, I am about "over it".....

    This SP bashing thing has just about gotten onto my last nerve. And I am not really sure that I care what anyone thinks of it, I really have had enough of this "anti Smart Parts", bash them cause they suck for running their business in a way that helps them profit. Was it a bad thing for grass roots paintball? Sure, I suppose it was. But honestly I think if we all had some intrest to protect in an age of litigation and given the same choices that we could all agree. If Smart Parts hadn't done it, someone else would have. Many companies have used the patent process to protect their intrest in a product. A great deal of the time, their claim is questionable. But until someone comes along with enough capital and proof to invalidate the claim there is nothing to do about it. A fact that many well funded companies, who don't gather their fair share of this percieved hate for being partners with Smart Parts, who have decided it was better for them economically to just go along...The number of things in which we have to just "play ball" is boggling. And for certain they aren't the only current manufacturer, or past for that matter, that spews pure BS hype to sell a product. Nor will they be the last.

    So now, everywhere you go online, to any forum there is at least one thread where someone somewhere is bashing SP for how they suck, and their products suck, they have never made anything good, anti fanboi spam to the max. You can't even post a pic or ask a question about one of their products without someone coming on the thread to tell you to "throw it in a lake" or "I wouldn't own that crap", "it's junk"....etc. And then you have this legion of people who hang on every word that has ever been said by anyone even marginally involved with SP so they can pick apart what they have to say, adding to this giant circus of a feeding frenzy going on every paintball forum on the net. This junk has probably done more to increase web traffic to any given site for a good bashing thread than any one other thing in paintball. A fact that I am certain is not lost on the bean counters keeping track of this type of thing.

    I would be willing to bet that more than half the people involved in the hate and nonsense don't even know the real reasons behind what has gone on. They just hear it, and repeat it to be a part of the "cool" anti Smart Parts bashing club.
    Honestly, how many people on this site alone think that AGD isn't making the E/X Mag because of SP?

    I am not a huge fan of what they have done and continue to do, but I can understand the why behind it in todays market. This nonsensical bashing has gone well past its usefulness. If you don't like them and don't wish to support them then let your dollars decide. At this point, they are so deeply entrenched into the industry that they aren't going anywhere anyway.
    Last edited by punkncat; 05-12-2008, 03:52 AM.
  • going_home
    Hebrews 13:8

    • Dec 2004
    • 8343

    #2
    Amen !

    I have been saying this for a while now.
    Its way way past being juvenile at this point.
    I personally havent ever seen an Smart Parts marker I would have
    but their tank regs and barrel kits I like.
    My opinion....if you want to boycott Smart Parts have at it.
    BUT KEEP YOUR HATE TO YOURSELF !

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    • TnDeathInc
      AKA's are my new thing
      • Apr 2007
      • 651

      #3
      i dislike them , more and more people dislike them, you will find yourself ina a shrinking minority. It alot like walmart, they have horrible employee practices cut out margins from people selling them their products and work like a modern day mafia, but people will still buy from them because they are cheap.

      Maybe take that horsecrap sympahty over to a SP thread and you may get more support.

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      • wimag
        BEZERKERS
        • Aug 2001
        • 1334

        #4
        Originally posted by punkncat
        Honestly, how many people on this site alone think that AGD isn't making the E/X Mag because of SP?
        .
        Me.
        you should also ask the members on any AKA site, and perhaps an ICD site. Better yet ask the guy who funds this site.
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        • punkncat
          One foot less
          • Feb 2003
          • 5841

          #5
          Originally posted by TnDeathInc
          i dislike them , more and more people dislike them, you will find yourself ina a shrinking minority. It alot like walmart, they have horrible employee practices cut out margins from people selling them their products and work like a modern day mafia, but people will still buy from them because they are cheap.

          Maybe take that horsecrap sympahty over to a SP thread and you may get more support.
          I expect no less from your reply there TN.....I could argue chewing gum flavor and you would find a way to disagree with me and point out how my POV is wrong. Lol

          Thats ok though.

          How you doing by the way?

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          • punkncat
            One foot less
            • Feb 2003
            • 5841

            #6
            Originally posted by wimag
            Me.
            you should also ask the members on any AKA site, and perhaps an ICD site. Better yet ask the guy who funds this site.

            There IS a difference there. AGD was NEVER given a C&D letter. Perhaps the writing was on the wall, but given the sales projections and not to attempt to quote Tom directly, but he stopped simply to avoid the issue altogether on a product that was not selling enough to make the whole thing worthwhile.
            I think the niche that was stuck to has worked out pretty well to insure a fairly stable if small portion of the market for some time to come.

            AKA had options available to them that many companies chose and have benefited from it. Dye (for one) isn't hurting from paying royalties and working with SP. Standing on a principal sure didn't keep the doors open any longer did it? Nor did legions of rabid AKA supporters help bear any of the legal costs, or fight the good fight to help them with those principals either. A good company is gone simply because they refused to play ball. Was it the "right" thing to do? Eh, well I am not going to argue the ethics of it. But they are no longer in business, or at least not as they were.

            ICD is a company I simply do not know what they did. I thought they had signed an agreement with SP and thus their continued production. Didn't they just waste away from lack of intrest?
            I would think that the POS Freestyle didn't help them a bit.....just my opinion of it...

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            • warbeak2099
              That is my foot!
              • Jan 2004
              • 4447

              #7
              The problem is that they weren't just protecting their intellectual property. They were in most cases patenting things that they didn't invent. They got away with it because of the inefficiency and terrible condition of the USPO.

              I don't condone this bandwagon bashing, SP makes some decent products. But Bill and Adam Gardner are two of the most sleazy human beings on the planet and there's no reason to put money in their pockets. They conduct business by lying, cheating, and stealing. They already ran the last company they were involved into the ground through fraud, let's just hope they do it with SP and one of the many decent employees they have is able to take over the show. They have a lot of great people working for SP, but I will not support a company run by people like the Gardners. There's nothing wrong with the SP boycott. What is retarded is the bandwagoners who hate SP just for the sake of hating SP.
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              • mostpeople
                Registered User
                • Mar 2007
                • 1680

                #8
                Wheres that thread where tom talked about SP blatantly ripping the lvl 10 adds by AGD?

                Regardless of the actual events, it is a well known fact that SP killed the x-mag, and e-mag, and probably AGD's forward progress. And then, as said above, they ripped the features from AGD for $.

                On a side note, I applaud people for making art of destroyed SP guns..

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                • kenndogg
                  I hate people in general
                  • May 2003
                  • 881

                  #9
                  I agree, it's getting idiotic. I just roll my eyes now when I hear the zombies cry about SP. If SP didn't do it, some other company with big pockets would have. That's business. As for as their product sucking; been through 4 tournies, countless practices and rec games with my ion with no problems. Than again I actually take care of my equipment.
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                  • kenndogg
                    I hate people in general
                    • May 2003
                    • 881

                    #10
                    Originally posted by warbeak2099
                    The problem is that they weren't just protecting their intellectual property. They were in most cases patenting things that they didn't invent. They got away with it because of the inefficiency and terrible condition of the USPO.

                    I don't condone this bandwagon bashing, SP makes some decent products. But Bill and Adam Gardner are two of the most sleazy human beings on the planet and there's no reason to put money in their pockets. They conduct business by lying, cheating, and stealing. They already ran the last company they were involved into the ground through fraud, let's just hope they do it with SP and one of the many decent employees they have is able to take over the show. They have a lot of great people working for SP, but I will not support a company run by people like the Gardners. There's nothing wrong with the SP boycott. What is retarded is the bandwagoners who hate SP just for the sake of hating SP.

                    Honestly you really can't blame SP for that. Maybe the Gardners are sleaze, but in a business since, they did what any smart for profit company would do. They found a loop-hole and exploited it for their gain. This kind of stuff happens all the time, but for some reason the paintball community can't accept it. I have a theory why; paintball was built around honor in it's beginnings. Guys like Tom Kaye, Bud Orr, etc., made gentlemen agreements such as the 13 bps. When the industry exploded and people relized that millions could be made, this left the industry with two groups: Dwindling old school guys like Tom Kaye and business savvy guys like the Gardners. I think Tom Kaye sense of honor hurt AGD more than SP did. In the world of big business you best leave honor at the door.
                    It worked well for the Gardners.
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                    • Ninjeff
                      it only takes one.
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 1205

                      #11
                      Whats wrong with holding someones feet to the fire for "questionable" buisness practices?
                      Whats wrong with missing the "honor" and "gentlemans agreements" of the industry? Whats wrong with thinking that if SP wouldnt have retro-actively patented something they didnt invet, then maybe AGD and AKA and some others wouldnt have withered on the vine?

                      Why in the world should anyone, including yourself Punk, back down from stating something they believe in?

                      OK, so you're tired of seeing SP bashing on the interwebs. I understand. The coolest thing about forums though, is they have "headers" on topics that allow you to decide what to read, or not read.

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                      • TnDeathInc
                        AKA's are my new thing
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 651

                        #12
                        im doing good punkincat, i need to get down ther and see you running and ripping

                        Dont quit on us now

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                        • robnix
                          email robnix@gmail
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 2094

                          #13
                          Originally posted by kenndogg
                          Honestly you really can't blame SP for that. Maybe the Gardners are sleaze, but in a business since, they did what any smart for profit company would do. They found a loop-hole and exploited it for their gain.
                          Call it whatever you want, it's still sleazy and doesn't deserve any respect by insinuating that it's what any "smart for profit" company would do. There are plenty of "smart for profit" companies that operate in an ethical manner to both the industry that they're in and their customers.
                          Originally posted by Ninjeff
                          Whats wrong with holding someones feet to the fire for "questionable" buisness practices?
                          Whats wrong with missing the "honor" and "gentlemans agreements" of the industry? Whats wrong with thinking that if SP wouldnt have retro-actively patented something they didnt invet, then maybe AGD and AKA and some others wouldnt have withered on the vine?

                          Why in the world should anyone, including yourself Punk, back down from stating something they believe in?

                          OK, so you're tired of seeing SP bashing on the interwebs. I understand. The coolest thing about forums though, is they have "headers" on topics that allow you to decide what to read, or not read.
                          There's nothing wrong with these things, especially when you have Head Kool-Aid drinker Sean trolling forums with lies and half truths about the past in order to change the perception people have of Smart Parts. If people don't get in there an knock them down a notch, then eventually those lies and half truths will take hold and be the new truth.

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                          • kenndogg
                            I hate people in general
                            • May 2003
                            • 881

                            #14
                            Originally posted by robnix
                            Call it whatever you want, it's still sleazy and doesn't deserve any respect by insinuating that it's what any "smart for profit" company would do. There are plenty of "smart for profit" companies that operate in an ethical manner to both the industry that they're in and their customers.
                            true, but as long it as it's legal, it'll keep being done. What that said maybe the problem isn't just SP, but the whole patent process all together.
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                            • punkncat
                              One foot less
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 5841

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ninjeff
                              Why in the world should anyone, including yourself Punk, back down from stating something they believe in?

                              OK, so you're tired of seeing SP bashing on the interwebs. I understand. The coolest thing about forums though, is they have "headers" on topics that allow you to decide what to read, or not read.

                              The bolded part outlined and QFT.

                              I am not by any means saying that anyone should back down from what they believe in. The only real way to do anything at all about the situation would be to find out who ALL the partners in the royalty deals are and not do any manner of business with any of them.

                              Beyond that, coming on forums and acting like a jackass bashing SP and their products accomplishes absolutely nothing. Well take that back, it contributes web traffic to web sites, some of which and one notable which are profiting from it. Guess which one and as I understand guess who owns or is a partner to it......So in essense, not only is that company profiting from their products, royalties from others products, but from their own bashing in residuals on that paintball "home page". Funny how that wheel goes round.

                              In the end, there will be a bunch of bitter paintballers who have spent all this time running after their tail and the Gardners and partners are going to be laying back on some tropical island laughing collectively.

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