Ya know, I am about "over it".....

[ThePixelGuru]

You said Microsoft invented and designed Windows, and that was the difference between MS & SP. When in fact, they purchased the IP that was developed into Windows.

By your logic, it would be a real stretch to say that going from the PVI Shocker to the current Shocker wasnt anything that SP doesnt deserve money for. It was further developed by SP. So there is no need to nitpick, your analogy does not fit best.

Smart Parts didnt patent or invent the original Shocker.Pneuventures Inc(PVI) did. MS didnt invent the original OS system that was paramount to their success. SCP did. You said there is a difference between Microsoft and SP. I make the opposite assertion...there is more similarities than differences.

LOL. Butthurt. That made my day knowing where it came from

I'm not saying Smart Parts doesn't deserve money for improving and marketing a paintball marker, they just don't deserve money for everyone else doing it. That'd be like Microsoft demanding royalties for the privilege of making a GUI. Of course, you provided evidence of another difference between Microsoft and Smart Parts: Microsoft bought their intellectual property while Smart Parts *ahem* appropriated it.

Regardless, Microsoft isn't the point of this thread, and I've already admitted it wasn't a perfect analogy. Let's get on with this Smart Parts thing instead of bickering about Silicon Valley.

[Ninjeff]

I......... Let's get on with this Smart Parts thing instead of bickering about Silicon Valley.

hey now, no need to drag Pam Anderson into this.....

[kenndogg]

Aha, the "if it's legal it's ethical" argument, I've come across this one before. Slavery was legal, and women couldn't vote - if everything legal was just fine, then why did these change? Hell, why did we ever make new laws in the first place?

Wow you're comparing human rights with business ethics/intellectual property? Slavery and women's right are on a completely different scale.
Let me ask you something do you every shop at any big box stores? If your moral character is as high as you pretend it is, than for your sake I hope you don't. While you're at it I hope you don't buy Nikes, Reebok or anything made overseas in sweat shops.

[Nick E]

I frankly try to avoid any company that I find to have unethical or stupid practices. I don't drink starbucks, I don't wear nikes/rebook's/whatever stupid overpriced crap that's made in china by 5 year olds, and I don't buy SP products. Bash them on the internet? I don't get that into it. But I certainly don't like them, and don't support them.

P.S. MercenaryComando from PbN has got to stop posting all these crappy "SP blah blah" threads in the AGD section. It's making everyone look like whiny retards.

[robnix]

P.S. MercenaryComando from PbN has got to stop posting all these crappy "SP blah blah" threads in the AGD section. It's making everyone look like whiny retards.

I know he means well, but you're not kidding. AFAIC, what he does is the reason for this thread.

[ThePixelGuru]

Wow you're comparing human rights with business ethics/intellectual property? Slavery and women's right are on a completely different scale.
Let me ask you something do you every shop at any big box stores? If your moral character is as high as you pretend it is, than for your sake I hope you don't. While you're at it I hope you don't buy Nikes, Reebok or anything made overseas in sweat shops.

It's an analogy: you said if it was legal no one should care, and I'm just pointing out that just because something's legal doesn't mean it's alright. Law should not be mistaken for morality; sometimes the two coincide, but that isn't always the case.

And not that it matters, but all the shoes I wear are American made.

[kenndogg]

It's an analogy: you said if it was legal no one should care, and I'm just pointing out that just because something's legal doesn't mean it's alright. Law should not be mistaken for morality; sometimes the two coincide, but that isn't always the case.

which brings it back to my earlier post, as long as it's legal it'll happen again and again. I never said no one should care; although I personally really don't as I speak for myself only. The problem is more than just SP.

I guess mom was wrong then.. and two wrongs do make a right. Your logic is terrible.. it's the same mentality that has allowed the tourney scene to view wiping as a "skill" as long as you don't get caught. Because if one team is cheating and getting away with it we might as well all cheat.. right?? right?? It's that mentality that is killing the sport I have loved for so long.. and I will continue to speak out against it in hope that one day things might return to the better days of old.

hmm I missed this post. Let me ask you a question, if a player wipes and never gets caught by the ref, what do you do? Chances are the next game you'll "light him up" right?
I pretty sure that's the acceptable answer to wipers right? So how's bonus balling someone alright?

[aqua_scummm]

hmm I missed this post. Let me ask you a question, if a player wipes and never gets caught by the ref, what do you do? Chances are the next game you'll "light him up" right?
I pretty sure that's the acceptable answer to wipers right? So how's bonus balling someone alright?

That depends, are you talking about shooting him after he's already declared eliminated? If so, that's not cool, and it's not something I would do. However, "lighting up" someone who's not calling themselves out is completely legal, it's perfectly acceptable to empty hoppers on people who are still in the game, until they call themselves out

[JesseB]

That depends, are you talking about shooting him after he's already declared eliminated? If so, that's not cool, and it's not something I would do. However, "lighting up" someone who's not calling themselves out is completely legal, it's perfectly acceptable to empty hoppers on people who are still in the game, until they call themselves out

Over shooting will get you thrown off any respectable field regardless of the other teams...errr.... strategy...

If I saw someone light someone up and their excuse was wiping I'd probably ask them to sit out the next game or give them a warning... But if someone just so happens to catch a bad break and get hosed then there is not much you can do about it...

And bonus balls = walk off the field faster. I catch them reffing and playing it's not that bad since it was my fault I was in the way.

[SR_matt]

i understand your point PC, and ya the explosive results can be annoying and heck ill admit that ill rag of SP but i normally will follow it with trying to be helpful.

personally i feel that the things SP tried to do went beyond just trying to turn a buck and really tried to just screw over the industry, i feel there markers are substantially subpar and made to bad specs (when i see people that have snapped the hammer assemblies when they are over 1/4 thick solid AL or SS, cant remember off hand, from just cycling the marker there are issues. plus the fact that the alloys used are not consistent, hence the slight color differences from part to part).

i will give to them that they have some good things or at least good ideas. their max flow tanks are good, their barrel kits are a good idea, personally dont think they are a great execution of it but a good idea (even though ive kind of given up on kits at this point). the idea of the ion was great, execution meh.


what ever, dont really care what others will say, i try to to be rude with my distaste for SP, ive played long enough to see it all go down and tried to look into it and think they were out of line and didnt have much if any claim to what they tried to get.

and i dont normally say it but i still feel that the best way to deal with broken sp guns is to tape a quarter to it and toss it, at least then who ever finds it has a quarter (couldnt resist that one since you brought it up)
-matt

[ThePixelGuru]

which brings it back to my earlier post, as long as it's legal it'll happen again and again. I never said no one should care; although I personally really don't as I speak for myself only. The problem is more than just SP.

Then I'm afraid I don't know what you're getting at; are you saying that if something bad is legal we should all just go along with it? The other thing I keep hearing from you is that if we can't fix everything we should bother fixing anything. That doesn't make any sense, either. I really don't understand this attitude, but I keep seeing it. It's bad enough to have that kind of defeatist attitude, but why do you need to go around trying to convince other people that doing the right thing or making informed decisions is a worthless venture?

[SR_matt]

Then I'm afraid I don't know what you're getting at; are you saying that if something bad is legal we should all just go along with it? The other thing I keep hearing from you is that if we can't fix everything we should bother fixing anything. That doesn't make any sense, either. I really don't understand this attitude, but I keep seeing it. It's bad enough to have that kind of defeatist attitude, but why do you need to go around trying to convince other people that doing the right thing or making informed decisions is a worthless venture?

to piggy back,

my father (who was a lawyer) has said many times how when he was young and my grand parents were young, legal was the bare minimum but there was much higher standards that people operated on. but now people think if it is legal it is perfectly fine. the issue is not with the legal system but with those who are exploiting it.

just because something is legal doesnt make it right or good, but then again the inverse can be said of illegal and bad.

-matt

[Coralis]

When i play my ipod backwards it says "Smart Parts is the devil, Smart Parts is the devil".

[Ninjeff]

When i play my ipod backwards it says "Smart Parts is the devil, Smart Parts is the devil".

"lived eht si strap trams"

thats smart parts is teh devil backwards. Looks like some latin stuff....

[bound for glory]

why don't all you smart parts *** kissers just go to a sp board? i would'nt spend one penny on anything sp. how can you come here, and start this crap over and over. ok! we get it...you like sp and we like honest companys(with high class product). really, this is not needed here. go away. i need an emag...