New Frame - Preorder inquiry

[Pneumagger]

IMO, the frame market (as well as the body market) has really become saturated.
IDK, perhaps it's becoming saturated because Mag users are beginnign to dwindle.
What I really need to get made is the drop-in mag spool valve that I designed. The prototyped worked ok, but I just don't see the demand.

[snoopay700]

IMO, the frame market (as well as the body market) has really become saturated.
IDK, perhaps it's becoming saturated because Mag users are beginnign to dwindle.
What I really need to get made is the drop-in mag spool valve that I designed. The prototyped worked ok, but I just don't see the demand.

Pics or shens!

[Pneumagger]

Pics or shens!

Truthfully, the frame that this thread is about was originally designed to be the frame for the unibody prototype below.
At the time I just did not have the resources/time to make the frame a part of the project as well. One frame, one body. Mag profile. Mech or electro operation.
Cool gun, the idea kinda stalled because I got a job/wife/house.

It's currently set up to run off a 4 way solenoid and sporting a black hardcoat anodize.
It needs improvements to allow for lower pressure operation. Too much expansion in the flow path before the charge hits the ball.
It sits packed away in a box somewhere. Someday I'll get back to tinkering with it when silencers and auto tuning looses it's appeal.

Internals:


Operation:


Unibody prototype (classic rail, UMF, A/C barrel, AKA feedneck):

[mustangii]

I lke it, I'm in
edm

[rawbutter]

I really like this idea too, although I might have to sell my current mag to justify buying a new frame.

I'll echo what some others have said before, though. Having the WHOLE thing intergrated is really the main thing that makes this frame so intriguing. Someone mentioned that having the 15* ASA integrated into the frame will make it a little meatier and more expensive, but I know when I was putting together my own frame, the 15* ASA was by far the hardest part to find. Finding a nice rail wasn't too easy either. So if I buy this rail, but then still have to buy a bunch of other hard-to-find pieces, then it's appeal is greatly diminished.

The way I figure it, a nice rail, UMF, and 15* ASA (which is a very popular combination) runs most people about $250 altogether, so putting that all into one integrate package is a brilliant idea, especially if it can be done for about $200. It would be a cheaper option, and it would be a much easier option.

[Loco_AEXY]

I REALLY like this concept. And with the added MPA-3 mount I am almost certain I would pick one of these up. I love my other Logic frame (90 deg) and always wanted a UMF but could never justify the purchase. But this is such a unique idea I am definitely interested. And the more flexibility that can be integrated into it to make pneumatic or EP conversion easier definitely ups its value in my book.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that this project is a success!

[snoopay700]

Oh yeah, that one marker that's like a quest, i remember that. Been a while since i've thought about that.

[Pneumagger]

Oh yeah, that one marker that's like a quest, i remember that. Been a while since i've thought about that.

There's enough meat on that marker to turn the body down into the shape of a Mag valve... then just pop it into a ULE.
LOL. It'll never happen, but neat to think about.

[mustangii]

of course the only change I would request would be to make it so you could use the rt sear and pin, that way you won't have to juggle parts when your trying to mount the body.
edm

[mpsd]

Regarding the frame, I'd like to have it with an integratd ASA, specially if I could run it with a Palmer's reg in front, acting like a LPR and having the ASA milled in it's top for the air hose (like you did in one of your pneumags IIRC). That would give it a really nice look considering I'll use it with my new (to me) Chord V1 body, which is AM lenghted.

Still, as I have a spare 15* ASA, I could do the same with it, in case you decide for this later design you did today. But your integrated ASA looks better IMO.

Anyways, I'm in for whatever you do LOL. After having three of my markers done by you (and they are the BEST guns in my collection), I'll support and buy anything you come up with.

Now, how do you intend to proceed with this? We've been discussing it for the past week and it seems to have brought a lot of interest from the AO community, looking like a real go. What's you ETA for showing us some prices and start collecting the downpayments?

[snoopay700]

There's enough meat on that marker to turn the body down into the shape of a Mag valve... then just pop it into a ULE.
LOL. It'll never happen, but neat to think about.

Yeah, my design could definitely be made to work in a mag body, but it's not marketable enough.

[splat15k]

This frame is looking awesome! I really like the NON-integrated asa model, but that's to be expected after I requested it. Thanks for drawing that up by the way. It seems like the majority of folks like the integrated asa design though.

[Looper]

This frame is looking awesome! I really like the NON-integrated asa model, but that's to be expected after I requested it. Thanks for drawing that up by the way. It seems like the majority of folks like the integrated asa design though.

I don't know... I could be swayed to to go for a non asa after seeing that and knowing it would lower cost.

[Pneumagger]

Now, how do you intend to proceed with this? We've been discussing it for the past week and it seems to have brought a lot of interest from the AO community, looking like a real go. What's you ETA for showing us some prices and start collecting the downpayments?

Well, after taking a few suggestions, the designs are pretty much there.
I'm just going to "fine tune" them this weekend. I've only got a few changes like adding EGO frame bolt pattern holes, safety revision, and minor dimension corrections.
If nobody has anymore suggestions that apply any major changes/evolution to the frame I will submit the designs to Logic paintball and possibly some local cnc shops.
With any luck we'll get reasonably accurate estimates and I'll post up a thread with prices on the 6 options (ASA type and internal type).

It should be important to note, I hold to my word that will not be a "Drop-in" pneumatic frame.
The tab will come without holes, the frame will not have a trigger rod hole, and the MPA locataion will only have a .500" diameter bore.
There are patents for pneumatic frames that exist and as such this frame should require a similar level of user modification to convert like current available frames.
So please remember that if the "pneumatic" variant is chosen for production, minor modification will still be needed.

[mpsd]

It should be important to note, I hold to my word that will not be a "Drop-in" pneumatic frame.
The tab will come without holes, the frame will not have a trigger rod hole, and the MPA locataion will only have a .500" diameter bore.
There are patents for pneumatic frames that exist and as such this frame should require a similar level of user modification to convert like current available frames.
So please remember that if the "pneumatic" variant is chosen for production, minor modification will still be needed.

Thanks for the info. Seems very reasonable.

And, regarding your last statement, that's why you are the best in the market for doing such custom mods. My pneumag, my EP and my electromag speak for themselves and are a real proof of my statement.