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  • mostpeople
    Registered User
    • Mar 2007
    • 1680

    #181
    Originally posted by p8ntbal4me
    If I was to design a new frame,... I would want the following.

    A) New grips that are simular to the WDP Angel. Where they use 2 top screws allowing for a gap to do custom work such as solenoids or rams.

    B) Leave some extra material. If weight reduction is important,.. take it off the front or in the rail. Extra "meat" is always nice to have when you want to mill out for something that the frame could possibly be used for. The material I speak of is the space between the 2 screws on the WDP grips. This would allow for someone to make a DevilMag clone or an EP using a Cyber-ram without running into lack of material to make nice cuts.

    C) Plan for electronics. Cut wire channels along the top of the rail and zig zag the cut patterns to keep the wires in the rail when the body is removed. Plan to thin out the channels along the edges where the wires could go up along side a body for eyes.

    D) Plan for the LPR channel inside the rail. Majority of the channel can be cut,.. and not exposed up through the front so that people who do not want to use an LPR dont have to see the channel in the front of the frame. Those that wish to use it,... they only have to remove a very small amount of metal. (think along lines of the RT rails,.. how thin the material is at the bottom side of the front fore grip hole. You can drill it out in less than 5 seconds)

    E) Use a set screw to hold the trigger rod to the trigger,.. and not a 'pressed in" trigger axle. Specifically,... how the EGO triggers are. The axle is very loose,.. but when the set screw is attached,.. the axle and trigger can not possibly fall out. This prevents having to drive a pin out, and damaging the anno on the gun.

    F) A snatch grip. I havent used my Logic EM Ripper much,... but the snatch grip is nice. It wouldnt have to be machined into the frame,.. but having it is a welcome gift

    G) No safety. I dont believe in a safety,... I think they set you up for a welcome accident waiting to happen. If its electric,.. turn it off. If its mechanical,... de-gas it. Safetys are more parts,... less usable space on the top of the frame for other parts, and more machining you have to add into the design.

    H) Plan for the LPR mounted to the front of the ASA. We all know it has been said,..... might as well throw the thing on there for everyone else.

    I) Machine and tap a hole into the ASA from the top inside of the frame/rail to allow for a STAB-FATTY (or the like) to be used to make a sleeper EP or Pneumag. The hole should allow for a 90 degree barb to be screwed into the top,.. and an air hose passage to the inside of the frame.

    J) Plan to house a LPR inside the frame for a sleeper Pneumag.

    I might have some more suggestions,... but this is as much as I can think of right now

    ~ P8nt

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    • luke
      lukescustoms.com

      • Jan 2001
      • 8211

      #182
      Originally posted by Pneumagger
      Much cheaper to mill the micro if you have the ULE CAD onhand.
      You could probably do the whole operation from one mount with a .250 ball end mill, 10-32 pilot drill and 10-32 tap.

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      • Pneumagger
        I like 'Mags.

        • Jun 2006
        • 3556

        #183
        Update: Sorry, I've been terribly busy at work. I did go measure the ego grip bolt pattern so I can add that into the frame.
        Once that gets added in I'll send th e model off to get quotes.

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        • dvannord
          Registered User
          • Jun 2007
          • 5

          #184
          Didn't read the whole thread... but if it hasn't already been suggested;

          - internally tapped for in-frame LPR
          - internal mounting points for pneu valves/plunger
          - either vertical foregrip adapter or the option for vert OR angled
          - possibly, milled to accept electric internals

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          • luke
            lukescustoms.com

            • Jan 2001
            • 8211

            #185
            Originally posted by dvannord
            Didn't read the whole thread... but if it hasn't already been suggested;

            - internally tapped for in-frame LPR
            - internal mounting points for pneu valves/plunger
            - either vertical foregrip adapter or the option for vert OR angled
            - possibly, milled to accept electric internals
            That's not what I was talking about. It was suggested that the bottom of the Micromag body would need to be milled in order to use this frame with that body. I was suggesting that it would be easier to mill the frame rather that writting code and machining the body.

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            • splat15k
              The Beast from the East

              • Oct 2001
              • 1227

              #186
              I'm not sure why micromags are even mentioned in this thread. Can we all agree that they have nothing to do with this project and move on?
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              • mostpeople
                Registered User
                • Mar 2007
                • 1680

                #187
                Originally posted by splat15k
                I'm not sure why micromags are even mentioned in this thread. Can we all agree that they have nothing to do with this project and move on?

                Exactly, from all angles this thing looks like it is designed to work with the ULE line and nothing else. Micromags are bodies that include sear attachments so no rail is used. This is a frame that does that same thing. So they are inherently incompatible - unless I missed something?

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                • splat15k
                  The Beast from the East

                  • Oct 2001
                  • 1227

                  #188
                  Originally posted by mostpeople
                  Exactly, from all angles this thing looks like it is designed to work with the ULE line and nothing else. Micromags are bodies that include sear attachments so no rail is used. This is a frame that does that same thing. So they are inherently incompatible - unless I missed something?

                  Nope, you've got it!


                  EDIT: There was talk of making them compatible with twistlock bodies, but I don't know that status of that.
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                  • Pneumagger
                    I like 'Mags.

                    • Jun 2006
                    • 3556

                    #189
                    The hole can be longer for the classic bodies, as well as the twistlock pin.

                    How many people 'prefer' twistlock bodies though... honestly?

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                    • mostpeople
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1680

                      #190
                      Can this frame be setup for the true sleeper configuration straight from manufacture? I mean where you have say any LPR as the forgrip and use a 90* fitting for the air hose at the top and route that to the gripframe as you have told me about pneumagger?

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                      • Hilltop Customs
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 1260

                        #191
                        I honestly wouldnt mess with twistlock bodies. Not only would the pin have to be placed into the gripframe(as it used to be in the rail)....think about trying to remove it. Removal means you have to have access to the underside of the pin, unless you want to drill it out or something crazy. This would be really significant on the attached ASA design. With the protruding rail setup, it wouldnt be bad, but then the protruding rail would have to be thick enough to conceal the height of the pin....which I dont see as a realistic goal.

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                        • luke
                          lukescustoms.com

                          • Jan 2001
                          • 8211

                          #192
                          Originally posted by splat15k
                          I'm not sure why micromags are even mentioned in this thread. Can we all agree that they have nothing to do with this project and move on?
                          Boy you guys really are something, since when did modifying and customizing have anything to do with Automags! How dare anyone ask! And by the way "I" didn't ask, I only made a suggestion.

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                          • luke
                            lukescustoms.com

                            • Jan 2001
                            • 8211

                            #193
                            Originally posted by mostpeople
                            Exactly, from all angles this thing looks like it is designed to work with the ULE line and nothing else. Micromags are bodies that include sear attachments so no rail is used. This is a frame that does that same thing. So they are inherently incompatible - unless I missed something?
                            Yea, we all know that NON-Automag frames can't be modified to work with a Mag. So why should anyone consider modifying this one to work with a Micro...
                            Last edited by luke; 11-10-2008, 10:54 AM.

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                            • Dend78
                              Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 2963

                              #194
                              the reason micro's were talked about was due to the fact that PTP is planning to come out with new bodies soon, and the question was asked if it would be possible to put one of these sessy lil frames on a micro without a spacer or other modifications.
                              2k2 Angel LCD
                              turbo trigger
                              CP volumizer
                              PIPE KIT

                              2k Angel CnC LCD
                              Vert Frame
                              Freak Barrel

                              B2k x-milled
                              micro rock
                              Dye sticky 3's
                              vertical max-flo
                              Edge barrel with blue J&J tip

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                              Dye Throttle 91/4500
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                              • splat15k
                                The Beast from the East

                                • Oct 2001
                                • 1227

                                #195
                                *sigh* I'm not saying it is a bad idea to adapt and/or modify something to work with something else, but this thread is dealing with a product that does not exist yet. There is NO frame/rail/asa combo that will work with the micromag body without serious modification. We all know this and nobody has any issue with it. I'm simply stating that THIS product does not accommodate micromag bodies. If we changed it so that it did, it would no longer be THIS product.

                                Perhaps I am missing the point though; Are you guys proposing two designs? One for micromag bodies and one for ULE?
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