If AGD Wanted To Go Electronic ?

[going_home]

If Airgun Designs wanted to go further than being the best brand new mechanical marker on the planet available.....

Would they just offer a bolt on electronic frame ?

Or would it take a complete redesign ?

From a sales standpoint I'm thinking redesign, but R&D means more $ and employees yadda yadda, lots of $ .

A bolt on electronic frame would be an interesting addition but how would it do from a sales standpoint is a good question.

What say you ?

[maniacmechanic]

can we say Centerflag ??

[d4m4don3]

centerflag closed shop a few years ago

[maniacmechanic]

centerflag closed shop a few years ago

I know that ,, I was sayin the CF frame worked

[Nobody]

I know that ,, I was sayin the CF frame worked

It worked, but not well. It was a massive step forward but yet still had some problems.

I see more of a Egomag bolt on frame. Drop in kit with everything you would need. Of course, not using an ego frame, but a new frame that could incorporate those ideas that people have done before with them.

[dano_____]

I think their best option would be to build an electro pneumatic frame. Build the lpr into the asa and have a fitting out to feed the valve. Clapper noids tend to make the frames really thick, require bulky capacitors, and they aren't as easy to source as a 3-way solenoid. The trilogy solenoid is about perfect when it comes to design of a push valve and noid built into one small unit. Have it fed by the lpr asa in a comfortable frame and you woukd have it made. I have built ego pneumag with this setup and it worked ok, but a purpose built frame that could be attached and played with would be great. If we want to truly bring the mag into current play, you would be looking at something like the tippmann crossover. Granted it could be done with better looks and design, it would essentially be the same gun.

[going_home]

If the pnue frames could somehow be capped (ROF) electronically it would be a nice option, otherwise it's a no go for tournaments.

And then there's the Mexican standoff on the pnue patents between DW and PTP, I seriously doubt AGD will want to go that route.

[nak81783]

Was the Automag the first spool valve marker?

[Dayspring]

Was the Automag the first spool valve marker?

Automag isn't a spool.

[nak81783]

I've always used zdspb.com for marker classifications. Please help me understand how it is not a type (blow forward) of spool valve. Thanks.

[BigEvil]

If the pnue frames could somehow be capped (ROF) electronically it would be a nice option, otherwise it's a no go for tournaments.

And then there's the Mexican standoff on the pnue patents between DW and PTP, I seriously doubt AGD will want to go that route.

This would have to be researched... because the electro patent has expired.. and those patents were either before or shortly after the electro one so they might be coming to the end of their lifespan.

It's a big giant mistake to try to market anything to the 'tournament' scene. Look how great it's been working out for the last 10 years.

[blackdeath1k]

The op is not quite strait forward. Are you asking what agd would have to do to be back in the position they were in during the early 90s as one of the top markers being sold for tournament/high end usage?

Or what would give them an angle to work with for starting new market share in today's world?

Answer to the first question would most likely take a full marker redesign. And marketing. It might not take function concept redesign. But it would take layout redesign.

Answer to just leaping forward in the electro market could be easilly done with a reliable light weight electro frame like a hyper frame. Or a bolt on pneu frame. Sadly do to already existing marker costs these options would not move agd as far as the hard core in enthusiast would like. This would put the marker in the price range of a new LUX or CS1. I just don't see them holding there own in that price point of new with a current marker + electro trigger frame.

[renie]

new electronic frame emag style, but you could get away with a tiny pull solenoid if used with a ULT have this on the back burner on one of my projects
also the option of a drop in valve replacement, but it would have to avoid current patents

[JKR]

The unknowns, of course, are how much R & D was done on other designs and advancements before the SP disaster stopped the Emag in its track and then sales began their decline. Existing technology is very good and cheap with the proliferation of manufacturing in China and other Asian nations. This obviously makes getting into the market that much harder. Couple that with the fact that paintballers seemingly don't care as much about quality now as they used to (changing demographics and player attrition) and it puts AGD in a tough position to get back into the electro market.

My strategy would be to re-release the Emag with a different body, perhaps the Tac One body, and work on lightening the battery pack. Given improved battery technology, I would think this possible. Perhaps turning the battery pack parallel to the barrel and enclosing it into a milled receiver that was "mil-simy" and had lots of mounting options for the users to compliment the Tac One body. Keep the ability to shoot mechanical and electro...always good to have options.

[athomas]

LIthium cell technology would greatly reduce the size and weight of the battery pack. You could also install a sear that has a greatly reduced weight. This would allow you to use the ULT or similar on-off and a smaller solenoid. The smaller solenoid would also contribute to a greatly reduced battery size/capacity requirement. I think you could make a very robust new emag design using the current valve.