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  • SIGSays
    USMC
    • Sep 2001
    • 3051

    #16
    it does go about 40.. like a jack hammer... but if you fed it paint... chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop

    but it's a little lower than 40 too fast to count
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    • Curly
      Registered User
      • Feb 2002
      • 1665

      #17
      LOL that would be soooo funny to see. But yeah there is no way it could feed at 20 a second. That thing would be an even bigger blender then my old mag with hyperframe.
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      • InfinatyBPS
        Dead Black Rose
        • May 2001
        • 2404

        #18
        I got my raptor with a new trigger spring to 9-11 bps once, with paint. No chops, it was great, I had a wave file of my shooting it but I think I lost it in my comp change, but I may have posted it here somewhere, if someone dosen't beleive me do a search from a while ago and you will find it, acutaly if someone does have time find it for me please
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        • Timmee
          eBay addict
          • Apr 2002
          • 1770

          #19
          it may be able to get to 40 cps, but not 40 bps. In a full auto mode, the bolt won't come back far enough to chamber a ball. You'll more than likely get chops, pinches, and misfires.





          Scares the crap outta unsuspecting people, though.
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          • cphilip
            Former Moderator

            • Jun 2026
            • 16216

            #20
            If you can prove to me it will shoot a clean 40 BPS I will kiss your behind and give you half a day to draw a crowd!


            AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

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            • 314159
              Registered User
              • Nov 2001
              • 555

              #21
              i have been working with nerobro to see how fast we could get a blowback to cycle at reliably. there is a thread going in deep blue documenting the progress. right now it is at 20 balls per second, this is with the sear catching every time with time to feed with the gun firing for aprox 5 seconds.

              either thursday or this weekend, i will adapt one of my custom electro boards for a popular paintball gun for the blowback, this will give me total controll for all timing, and let me trip the sear as fast as i want to and see how long the gun can keep up.

              when we reach the point that we reach the limit of the gun, i have a couple tricks in mind to get it up a little higher.
              As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

              sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

              turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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              • 314159
                Registered User
                • Nov 2001
                • 555

                #22
                cphilip, we might have to take you up on that offer
                As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

                sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

                turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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                • cphilip
                  Former Moderator

                  • Jun 2026
                  • 16216

                  #23
                  I knew you would try!!


                  AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

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                  • 314159
                    Registered User
                    • Nov 2001
                    • 555

                    #24
                    "the only difference between insanity and genious is sucess"
                    As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

                    sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

                    turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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                    • cphilip
                      Former Moderator

                      • Jun 2026
                      • 16216

                      #25
                      yes and I am betting you are insane!


                      AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

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                      • AcemanPB
                        Exactly
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 1885

                        #26
                        yeah my old spyder did 40bps all the time, when i ran out of Co2! everyone knows that noise

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                        • 314159
                          Registered User
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 555

                          #27
                          but i was supposed to tell you my evil plot first!

                          the faster paintball guns shoot, the greater the volume of paint produced, and the cheaper the paint will cost per ball. and the cheaper stock class play becomes.

                          soon everyone will play stock class, yes stock class. >


                          in reality i am just dooing it because it can be done.
                          As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

                          sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

                          turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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                          • nerobro
                            Registered User
                            • Oct 2001
                            • 923

                            #28
                            I'm the moderator who posted that in the FAQ.

                            right now, 314159 and I have a spyder that's cycling 20bps f/a And has quite a bit to spare.

                            so long as the spyder has enough air being fed to it, it will be kicking the hammer back far enough to feed a ball. But at 40bps there just isn't time to feed.

                            the claim is no different than the emag doing 30bps video that's out there. (actually.. the emag which holds it's sear down for 40ms... well do the math there, they had to change the sear duration)

                            So. FOR SURE, We know the gun can do 20. That post that said 10 doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.

                            RTfireboy. Your LP mods on your pirhana will only hinder the guns ability to cycle fast. The pirhana also has a fatty striker which is heavier and will slow down the cycle rate.

                            If it says anything the dragun we're using is a fatty striker dragun (the new draguns are slim) and we're still getting 20 ;-) I'll talk to 314159 about gettingn an audio file of the gun going cyclic.

                            the 40bps was the nubmer I was given a coupple years ago. I have never gone to try and firm it up becuase paint couldn't be fed more than 15-18bps at the time anyway. all I needed to know was the gun was a whole heck of a lot faster than that.
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                            • Butterfingers
                              PhD in Automagology
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 2263

                              #29
                              Originally posted by nerobro
                              I'm the moderator who posted that in the FAQ.

                              right now, 314159 and I have a spyder that's cycling 20bps f/a And has quite a bit to spare.

                              so long as the spyder has enough air being fed to it, it will be kicking the hammer back far enough to feed a ball. But at 40bps there just isn't time to feed.

                              the claim is no different than the emag doing 30bps video that's out there. (actually.. the emag which holds it's sear down for 40ms... well do the math there, they had to change the sear duration)

                              So. FOR SURE, We know the gun can do 20. That post that said 10 doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.

                              RTfireboy. Your LP mods on your pirhana will only hinder the guns ability to cycle fast. The pirhana also has a fatty striker which is heavier and will slow down the cycle rate.

                              If it says anything the dragun we're using is a fatty striker dragun (the new draguns are slim) and we're still getting 20 ;-) I'll talk to 314159 about gettingn an audio file of the gun going cyclic.

                              the 40bps was the nubmer I was given a coupple years ago. I have never gone to try and firm it up becuase paint couldn't be fed more than 15-18bps at the time anyway. all I needed to know was the gun was a whole heck of a lot faster than that.
                              The stock electronic duration of an e-mag is 30 ms. The E-magnum was set to a sear pulse length of 10ms with a 33 ms holdoff time for 30 cps. It was locking with each shot. This must be the case because when the sear is unlocked the on/off pin is also closed. In order for any air to enter the chamber for the next shot the sear must lock.

                              My point was when a spyder goes full cyclic the bolt does not open all the way. It oscilates with a set amplitude less than a full cycle.

                              The easiest way to find the true theoretical cyclic rate of the gun is to find out how much time in ms it takes the gun to complete 1 full cycle. You divide that number by 1000ms and you get the max cyclic rate of the gun.

                              If the cyclic rate exceeds this number you know for sure the gun is producing partial cycles.
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                              • nerobro
                                Registered User
                                • Oct 2001
                                • 923

                                #30
                                well.. responce number one is DUH. Excuse the additude, but you're coming into this without data on your own part. ... and you're making assumptions that I'm "cheating" to get my numbers. i'm not, and I'm willing to go get more data to back it up.

                                So long as the gun is getting full pressure, it will cock back all the way. the gun can't "half cycle" so long as it's getting enough pressure.

                                Now, what you're thinking is when you hear a spyder fart on the field. that's usually due to a lack of pressure. that lack of pressure makes the hammer not come back all the way, and no, the gun doens't finish cycling.

                                It would be nice to have a number for how long a cycle takes on a spyder. That would probally be more accurate than having it go full cyclic for a seccond or so. Again, we'll have more solid numbers for you later. i'll tell you right now, i'ts much higher than 20 :-)

                                so on the e-magnum you can set sear duration... setting it down toe 10ms may cause problems.... According to tom at the tech sessions the hyperframes use a pulse 6-9ms and it can cause issues with eating up the sear or bolt. (not enough time for the bolt to stop bouncing)
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