Salm Speaks Out

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

TEAM

Let's hear about this team, prove to us all you're not some 12 year-old yapping about fake credentials and pretending you know what you're talking about. And don't go naming the first team you can think of, you played at Badlands whatever that place is (if its full of cheaters and jerks like you claim there is theres no chance I'm ever going to pay to play there) but its about time to back it up to everyone.
This whole talk isn't about skill level or team ranking, it's about honor and respect for the game and its rules. You keep saying the only way to stay in the pro level is to cheat, well if you can't hack it then pack it up Blink, because you just might not be as good as you are saying you are. This is all about bringing legitimacy to the game and removing jerkslike Salm and anyone else who embarrasses their team, the league, and the sport through their actions on or off the field. This behavior could result in every field needing more refs, imagine how much it'll cost then. Cheaters ruin the sport, ruining its chances of growing, and killing its future. All because they're egotistical and too immature to accept defeat. But it's ok, right, because someone else did it first? Riiiiight. Keep thinking that.

[blnk162]

Re: AGAIN

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
Let me just point out something: Marek made a comment that included your parents in it, not specifically insulting them but just saying that you were not raised to believe in fair and unfair, etc. I'm not bringing your parents back in this, so relax. It insulted you and if so he was wrong to do it. But you responded by calling him a "homo" and threating him basically. So because he stepped out of line just a little you had the right to step out of line entirely and threaten and insult him heavily according to your logic. Sounds like your paintball game there blink, it's OK because someone else did it first and you can't do anything about it either, right? You have the mentality that you have to be better no matter what. I don't care if you've played 10 years and got to the semifinals of the World Cup the last five years Blink, and no one else here does because if you did we know you cheated, knowing you couldn't do it legitimately. We are speaking about the game itself not tournaments, and the fact we all have a love for the sport and play the sport is grounds enough for our opinions to count just as much as you and the people you referred to at Badlands who can't hack it without cheating. It's people who think and act like you have just now that make us not strive to go to tournaments because behavior such as yours makes it unenjoyable. To the others who are posting and on my side, I would be honored to play with or against any of you because you love the game and play hard but fair and understand what it's all really about. Maybe some day tournaments will be respectable again when the cheaters all get thrown out and we'll be competing there instead of just at local fields where the game is still being played for fun.

1.) Ill admit I overacted to what he said about my parents

2.)I never said I cheated anywhere, I said I was desensitized since I see it often in tourneys and practice and I said playing at badlandz makes me hard not a cheater.

I have never said cheating was acceptable, Salm messed up, he shouldnt be setanced to death for it. A year out of the nppl is pretty harsh, and lets see if he DOES get picked up by another pro team in a year.

And for all of you that want to know what team I am on, I would hate to have you all run and complain to the sponsors and the business that backs us that the team is a bunch of jerks and cheaters(thats what you are all assuming about me)
It would be bad for the team and the sponsors, I dont need to prove anything, my friends on the board know who I play for thats good enough for me.

[Marek]

**** you, how dare you bring my parents into this, dont talk **** about anything you dont know homo.

Cute. Am I suppose to be offended by you calling me names? Now, take my words however you want, but think about it. If you dont think cheating is wrong, and that an acceptable level of cheating is required to play at a Pro level, then how would my comment affect you? Or insult you for that matter? You should learn to control your temper and read things, before attacking. I never questioned your parent's integrity, yet you still are belligerent with me. I am commenting on how you think you are right and feel that something wrong (cehating, at any level) is right.

It does not matter, ppl have heard your voice and have learned to ignore it. You have no morals or ethics as stated for your want to win at all costs. I do not agree with your style of playing, and if ever on the field, I would not play with you. Cheating is one of the lowest forms on God's green earth, next to lying and murdering. Im sure that you will disagree, but then again, you have disagreed with everyone up til now. Have a great day.

[blnk162]

Originally posted by Marek


Cute. Am I suppose to be offended by you calling me names? Now, take my words however you want, but think about it. If you dont think cheating is wrong, and that an acceptable level of cheating is required to play at a Pro level, then how would my comment affect you? Or insult you for that matter? You should learn to control your temper and read things, before attacking. I never questioned your parent's integrity, yet you still are belligerent with me. I am commenting on how you think you are right and feel that something wrong (cehating, at any level) is right.

It does not matter, ppl have heard your voice and have learned to ignore it. You have no morals or ethics as stated for your want to win at all costs. I do not agree with your style of playing, and if ever on the field, I would not play with you. Cheating is one of the lowest forms on God's green earth, next to lying and murdering. Im sure that you will disagree, but then again, you have disagreed with everyone up til now. Have a great day.

you STILL dont get it

I said cheating is bad but I can see why pros do it jeeze how many times do I have to reiterate it?

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Fair enough about not mentioning the team, I know I wouldn't do anything like you said but I wouldn't be surprised if someone would. And you said you play pro already, so we know what league you CLAIM to be in. Fully believe you? I'm not sure any of us here do anymore cause you're making alot of weak points. Cheating? I'm pretty convinced you do, no one who hates cheating and never participates in it would defend it being part of the sport as much as you have been. And I hope we never see Jeremy again, he shouldn't even be allowed to coach at pro level as he is now after the stunt he pulled if promoters, team owners, and sponsors want to see the sport cleaned up.

So you're anonymous since you're not giving any info to us, Give us your side on how you play. DO you cheat and does your team cheat at all? Be honest, what can we do about it? We don't know your name or your team's name. At least admit you do if you really do. If you cheat and are too ashamed to admit it, that makes it even worse cause you know you're wrong.

[agdemagman69]

1.
ok, what i'm saying here is the EXACT truth, DO NOT FLAME ME

I know for a fact that blnk162 has played AMB, AMA, and I believe pro.

He lives in my town and i know him very well.

2.
I aggree with some (not all) of what hes saying, and he is right to have his own opinion, so back off a little jeez

[blnk162]

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
Fair enough about not mentioning the team, I know I wouldn't do anything like you said but I wouldn't be surprised if someone would. And you said you play pro already, so we know what league you CLAIM to be in. Fully believe you? I'm not sure any of us here do anymore cause you're making alot of weak points. Cheating? I'm pretty convinced you do, no one who hates cheating and never participates in it would defend it being part of the sport as much as you have been. And I hope we never see Jeremy again, he shouldn't even be allowed to coach at pro level as he is now after the stunt he pulled if promoters, team owners, and sponsors want to see the sport cleaned up.

So you're anonymous since you're not giving any info to us, Give us your side on how you play. DO you cheat and does your team cheat at all? Be honest, what can we do about it? We don't know your name or your team's name. At least admit you do if you really do. If you cheat and are too ashamed to admit it, that makes it even worse cause you know you're wrong.

Where did I say I play pro?

But the skinny of me playing...

I can honestly say I have never flat out windshield wiped a hit in a tournament with my hand, in practice I have just cuz its practice and doesnt matter to me and I want to keep playing.

My team does not have cheating methods that we use as a team even though some do like calling yelling codes for other players to call paint checks while someone wipes a hit.

Depending on situation I have played on while blowing tape lines or going up the middle this is not to say I do it all the time but I admit I have.


I do play the gray area to the fullest, i run with my hand in front of my mask, Iused to have mad stickers on my hopper and my marker, I once put rain x on gear for bounces, manipulate my bunker with barrel(altough thats a weak argument for playing gray), ummm what else...sometimes i dress up with goggleflauge and go into woods with a super lp marker and shoot people on the field...um that about raps it up....

Any more questions?

[shartley]

[Marek]

If hes going to be Batman, can I be Superman?

[blnk162]

Originally posted by shartley

Where did I use my status to backup anything?

You guys are pulling arguments out of nowhere....I think I answered quincy's question...

Once again where did I state I was pro earlier in the thread?

[shartley]

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

You keep talking as if you are pro, saying you play at that level, and you mentioned you had sponsors. Well are you pro? Give a straight answer then.

OK, I take it the last one about goggleflauge while sniping is just a shot on Jeremy, and some of the others are grey zones that aren't breaking rules, like using the barrel on the bunker. But did you say guys on your team will call paint checks on your opponents for the purpose of wiping hits they took themselves? How grey is that? Wiping is breaking a major rule. Thats the kind of behavior that damages this sport. If your team is doing that, I hope they get caught and kicked out. Your teammate couldn't cut it and got eliminated, and because he knew your team wasn't good enough to win by the rules he chose to be a scumbag and wipe the shot. So he doesn't care about anyone besides himself and maybe you guys. He's the kind of guy that should be kicked out of the sport if he does it regularly. Rookie, amateur, pro, he is knowledgably and frequently disrespecting the game, rules, and other players with his actions with no remorse. He's a scumbag and I got no respect for him. Again this is all if he really does that. If your team knows he does it and condones these actions, you are all a joke and an embarrassment to the game. Again this is if you really cheat. If you're just yapping to be tough, I could care less. All you've done so far is prove the rest of us right.

[cphilip]

Blnk,

You obviously have not spent near enough time in the class room and spend too much time playing you misguided form of Paintball.

Son, I am too old to play Tourney ball. But I go and I see it. This is not about paintball so much as it is right and wrong. Your attitude is an example of whats wrong in Paintball today. In time you will look back and regret your lack of integrety. Until that time you will not be worth my time to argue with. Your arguments are poorly formed and twisted. I cannot even follow you half the time. I know your trying to say something but its coming out all wrong. You realy do need to just give it up.

[blnk162]

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
You keep talking as if you are pro, saying you play at that level, and you mentioned you had sponsors. Well are you pro? Give a straight answer then.

OK, I take it the last one about goggleflauge while sniping is just a shot on Jeremy, and some of the others are grey zones that aren't breaking rules, like using the barrel on the bunker. But did you say guys on your team will call paint checks on your opponents for the purpose of wiping hits they took themselves? How grey is that? Wiping is breaking a major rule. Thats the kind of behavior that damages this sport. If your team is doing that, I hope they get caught and kicked out. Your teammate couldn't cut it and got eliminated, and because he knew your team wasn't good enough to win by the rules he chose to be a scumbag and wipe the shot. So he doesn't care about anyone besides himself and maybe you guys. He's the kind of guy that should be kicked out of the sport if he does it regularly. Rookie, amateur, pro, he is knowledgably and frequently disrespecting the game, rules, and other players with his actions with no remorse. He's a scumbag and I got no respect for him. Again this is all if he really does that. If your team knows he does it and condones these actions, you are all a joke and an embarrassment to the game. Again this is if you really cheat. If you're just yapping to be tough, I could care less. All you've done so far is prove the rest of us right.

I said we DONT have codes for cheating like other teams do...

And I am semi-pro/amatuer depends on what league you play, hopefully going pro soon.

I dont push what I do on any of you, If you dont like what I say or how I say it thats fine, your allowed that, but from the beginning of this thread everyone has twisted what I said from the get go from my previous history on the message boards.

Please read my posts correctly next time so it doesnt waste your time typing and mine having to re-explain myself

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by blnk162


Youve obviously never played a national tournament then...

With higher competition comes different levels of cheating and rule bending in any sport.

If other professional sports allowed as much cheating as paintball they'd be laughed out of existence.

If you want people to watch tournaments and have new people join, it's the opinion of those outside the cicuit that count not those in it. Hopefully the disdain of the paintball comunity will finally one day make the "pros" clean up their act.

Blnk162, your basic argument is about a pathetic as a kid caught breaking windows "because my friends were as well". True moral strength is when you go against the majority to denounce an accepted wrong. Moral weakness/poor judgement is demonstrated by excusing your behaviour by saying "i'm just doing what everyone else is doing".

On another note:
I do think the emphasis is put in the wrong place in this discussion. In football, hockey, and baseball if a player commits an infraction and it isn't called, who gets blamed? THE REFEREES! Until event organisers, sponsers, and officiating start enforcing rules effectively the tournament scene will never improve.

I mean honestly. There are rules against swearing that should be easy to enforce. As a player swears at the ref, the ref just has to count. Once the player shuts up, penalise them according to the count. I swear if they did that once, the player would learn to respect the judges real fast.