Salm Speaks Out

[blnk162]

Originally posted by automagfreek
So what? What does that have to do with anything?? We're talking about credibility here, not what people have to pay to play! You're bringing up trivial points because you know your argument holds no water!

What are you talking about?

He was talking about money and also I dont really have an argument...your all getting your panties in a bunch over a player who is talented and either 1.)messed up and went postal(not literal for all of you guys who cant take a joke)
or 2.)Was put up to it and the conspiracy is deeper than we realize.

I say Salm is a good player, he messed up, oh well.

[beefstew]

tourny players cheat. In all circuts and at all levels. rec players also cheat (i dont see why) but they do. the only team i NEVER saw wipe (intentionally anyway) on teh circut was legion. they are the cleanest playing team i have ever seen. To do that well and not cheat puts them above the rest IMHO. but other than that, tourny players DO and will continue to cheat. salm just didnt do a very good job of it. that doesnt mean he has "less morals" than the rest of them.

[shartley]

Originally posted by blnk162
He was talking about money and also I dont really have an argument...your all getting your panties in a bunch over a player who is talented and either 1.)messed up and went postal(not literal for all of you guys who cant take a joke)
or 2.)Was put up to it and the conspiracy is deeper than we realize.

Originally posted by beefstew
tourny players cheat. In all circuts and at all levels. rec players also cheat (i dont see why) but they do. the only team i NEVER saw wipe (intentionally anyway) on teh circut was legion. they are the cleanest playing team i have ever seen. To do that well and not cheat puts them above the rest IMHO. but other than that, tourny players DO and will continue to cheat. salm just didnt do a very good job of it. that doesnt mean he has "less morals" than the rest of them.

[cphilip]

Beefstew, I get the impression you have no idea what he did. And that you didn't even read the thread. But you got an opinion anyway...

Sheesh...

[magman007]

beef stew, your sig is also way to huge, and doesnt folow the sig rules, resize please

[A.T.S]

The guy on the left works at a proshop near my house. He is an ok guy but does not like mags.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Cheating

If we ever want the game to get out of the woods and appear regularly on ESPN and gain more popularity then cheating must be minimized and not an "unofficial tactic" as it basically has become. That is why all the magazines and companies get so aggravated about it, and why Jeremy's very immature, immoral, and pathetic display has got so much attention. Things so out in the open like this set the sport back.

If the typical tournament paintball player now is the kind of person who acts like little children, whine when they don't get their way, and do everything they can to get ahead even though it's robbing others who play fair, then the game's growth is doomed. Anyone who thinks it's only wrong if you get caught will never get my respect no matter how "good" they are, if they made the professional ranks, or what sponsors they have. They are dirtbags and are the reason the game is being held back. If you really think you are that great, try winning without cheating and taking any losses with maturity and respect for the game and other players. We all know you rely so much on cheating your rank would drop, and you're too egotistical to let that happen.

A seven year-old throwing a tantrum or not knowing right from wrong is acceptable. A 18+ year-old doing it is sad.

I respect any person or team, no matter what level they are at, who does not flagrantly cheat or even cheat "because everyone else does it." That is the lamest, immature excuse I have heard. It's a competition. Earn the title of 1st place because you love the game, not because it's your profit. The penalties for cheating should be far stricter, games should be taped and viewed for misconduct with fines and possible stripping of titles for infringements, and hopefully a new "honor league" will form where those few teams that play for the love of the game and respect the rules and others can compete. I'd rather place 4th and know I earned it honestly than win and everyone know I didn't have the skills to do it without cheating.

And to conclude: Recballers cheating? I catch someone wiping on the other side of the field, you better hope you can back it up with skills because if I see it I will be running towards you with the full intent of bunkering you until you're crying for your mommie. Don't disrespect the game. Grow up or get out.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Tyger


First show me a paintball player that gets paid to play paintball, then I'll show you a professional paintball player.

There's no entry fee to play in the Super Bowl, you know.

-Tyger

Nice try Tyger.

The only problem is that by your definition there is no such thing as a Pro golfer. Not 100% sure about entry fees, but golfers only get money from the game if they win.

I'm sure there are other sports out there that are similar.

Similarily, Olympic standards receiving any money or sponsorship or getting paid for a performance immediately qualifies you as Pro. Under those rules, anybody who has ever received so much as a barrel plug to represent a manufacturer or store could be labeled pro.

Little silly to argue semantics, isn't it?

[Tyger]

Originally posted by blnk162


They get paid in product and bonuses...

Can you "LIVE" on product and bonuses? I know a benchwarmer in the NFL can live cofortably on salary.

I have never seen a paintball player alive pulling salary.

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


Nice try Tyger.

The only problem is that by your definition there is no such thing as a Pro golfer. Not 100% sure about entry fees, but golfers only get money from the game if they win.

I'm sure there are other sports out there that are similar.

Similarily, Olympic standards receiving any money or sponsorship or getting paid for a performance immediately qualifies you as Pro. Under those rules, anybody who has ever received so much as a barrel plug to represent a manufacturer or store could be labeled pro.

Aha! I can nail ya here.

"Pro" athletes were not supposed to be in the olympics. The rules have changed lately. Which is why the USA basketball team is all the NBA guys.

As for golfers, yes, you pay to get in an open, but "Pro golfers" like Tiger Woods can earn enough money playing golf alone that he can live on it. Hence, he's a profesisonal golfer. There are hundreds fo golfers who are unsponsored, but they make enough money on golfing to get by. So, they're full time pro golfers.

Nobody makes enough money on paintball to make a living at it. Shop owners and field owners, yeah, ok, but not just players.

-Tyger

[hitech]

Originally posted by Tyger
Nobody makes enough money on paintball to make a living at it. Shop owners and field owners, yeah, ok, but not just players.

You don't have to make your entire living playing a sport to be a pro. There are other sports where some of the pros do not.

[blnk162]

Originally posted by beefstew
tourny players cheat. In all circuts and at all levels. rec players also cheat (i dont see why) but they do. the only team i NEVER saw wipe (intentionally anyway) on teh circut was legion. they are the cleanest playing team i have ever seen. To do that well and not cheat puts them above the rest IMHO. but other than that, tourny players DO and will continue to cheat. salm just didnt do a very good job of it. that doesnt mean he has "less morals" than the rest of them.

Legion jus thas their camera man send them signals and such while hes on the field...

And shartley I stated my opinion, what do I need self reflection for?

Cheating will NEVER be 100 percent out of our sport....Im just sick of everyone knocking pros....

[Marek]

I dont buy it. He has an epiphany, and wants to go back to what he loves. His roots. If it was so hard for him to play, then leave the sport. The ends don't justify the means.

As for cheating, this mentality that "everyone does it" is just a bunch of noise. I don't like cheating, in video games, paintball, classes, etc. and to have any kind of rationale for it is just stupid. I've played in only 2 tourneys, and plan on playing more this coming year. Honestly, I'd rather focus my time on learning to be a better player and leader, than learn strategies on how to win at all costs. I guess I am just to idealistic when it comes to Pro atheletes. I expect that they are doing what they do for entertainment purposes and for the love of the sport. Why else would you want to do what you do for a living? Its like being a teacher, but you hate kids? Dont teach. If he was really having pressures or a dislike for the sport, then quit.

It angers me greatly whenever ppl can't take responsibility for their actions. And to add fuel to the fire, ppl are trying to stick up for him and other pro players? He did wrong, to say that it is right because everyone else does it is wrong, and he should pay accordingly. Now, if what he paid was appropriate, well, thats another discussion.

[Blazestorm]

As I believe he is a local to me (considering he first tried paintball here) I respect what he did, I often battle over playing tourneys because I feel I would lose the love for the sport I have now, although he made a poor decision I understand why he did it, and that's what matters. I'm sure you would get a kick out of shooting guys from the sideline... without them knowing you were there. It brought back the feeling when he first played paintball to him... and I think that's important.

He may cheat, he may do drugs, he may or may not be a good player, but you can not say stuff about someone you don't know. I know a guy who played on his first team washington reign and he says jeremy was a cool guy. The guy I'm talking about left when washington reign went pro :)

[Smoke]

What are you talking about? He was taking money and also I don't really have an argument...your all getting your panties in a bunch over a player who is talented and either 1.)messed up and went postal(not literally for all of you guys that cant take a joke) or 2.)Was put up to it and the conspiracy is deeper than we realize.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Hmmmmm..... conspiracy theorists of paintball. Hmmm....
This discussion is about the morals of cheating, not weather or not you think he's good. IT'S ABOUT MORALS AND CREDIBILITY. Who cares if he's good or not, that dosen't justify his actions. I think you're missing the point, we're all talking apples and you're taking oranges. I could be a good guy, but if I burn down your house, would you still think I was a good guy? Would you pass it off as me going "postal"? Or that I was put up to it? Come on! Oh and by the way, being a professional is earned, never given. If you go against what made you a pro, then you are no longer a pro, it dosen't matter if you're in the spotlight or not. I know alot of rec players that are alot more professional then this clown.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I think Jeremy Salm is pathetic...there is no way you can justify to me that what he did which is to just do our sport a disservice. As for people that say we need to stop knocking pros, why don't you wakeup from that idealistic dream you live in and realize that these people are not professionals until they start acting like professionals and not like spoiled little brats. Getting paid does not make you a professional; it makes you someone who does not have to pay to play only with the respect of your peers and the public will you truly become a professional.