ANGEL v.s. impulse ?

[speedyejl]

Heck, Verbal what are you talking about? They do perform almost identical, please don't compare a stock imp to an angel first of all. Compare an Imp or Bushmaster after $400 of work. First of all Impulses are now faster than Angels out of the box 20bps or 24bps I can't remember. The only thing the programing contorls is how many ms the solinoid will direct air to the hammer assembly.

The Impulse has alot available as far as frames go also to make it feel however you want. You can get werm frames (Angel 2K2 frames) or OTB frames (IR3 frames), thats just some of the many frames out there for Impulses. So the feel can be identical to an Angel.

Ok wait a second, an Angel can tell you the temperature. Obviosuly Angels are a better marker.

[MrFixitx]

Please post facts not BS

Come on guys lets have this conversation grow up a little instead of trash talking and going the X gun is just better it is!!!

If its better support your opinion with some reasons.

I also agree that comparing a stock impulse to a IR3 or aftermarket IR3 is a bit unfair, why not compare it say AI, Nasy, Rat, and Strange impulses.

Personally I like impulses better, why?

1. Cost anywhere from $500-1000 less than an angel.
2. Lower pressure operation, valve pressure runs from 135-220 PSI Last I aksed Angel valves ran at around 300ish(if I'm wrong someone let me know)
3. High ROF I can hit a ROF equal to any angel(vision impulse is capped at 20bps in semi same as the IR3 though some impulse boards now allow 24 bps) with my impulse its all on the trigger pull its not the gun lets you get a high rof(with the exception of turbo modes etc..)
4. I prefer the vision eye over COPS, the dark angels I have shot with COPS you had a noticeable ROF drop with cops on vs with it off(and no I didnt chop any paint with it off). With my impulse with vision on I dont see a noticeable change in ROF occasionally it stops for a second to let the hopper catch up but with the COPS it seemed to slow down even if your hopper was keeping up fine.

5. I prefer the impulse stock reg, I get great constincy with my impulse and I the angels I have used with the same paint and air system tend to be less consistent.

The bad things about the impulse
Not as easyto maintain as an Angel(pulling out the bolt and lubbing it vs just putting some drops of luv juice in).
FSDO for me this really isnt an issue one shot before I start the game isnt that big of a deal imo.

What I think the Angel has over the impulse

1. Its not as tall
2. its got an LCD display that is cool, but isnt worth the extra $$ why do I need to know the tempature and have it give me text messages??
3. Its got an integrated recharable battery nice feature but again you pay an extra $100 but with the car charger there is no worry of having a dead battery for long.(but carrying a spare 9v works just as well).

Dont get me wrong Angels are nice I've shot a fair amount of Dark Angels, some Lasoya Angels, and Rockys angel all of them are nice but I'm not blown away by their performance vs my impulse especially not for the price differnce.

Mr.Fixitx

[minimag187]

Well it seems with COPS2 you cant really tell a difference, but with cops1 you defenitely can.. Mine is in for its COPS2 upgrade, I cant stand COPS1... As for both guns I like both, ive shot both and I like the angel better, impulses are not my style. I like the trigger of the angel and the solid feel and easy maintenence =)

[Verbal138]

Originally posted by speedyejl
please don't compare a stock imp to an angel first of all. Compare an Imp or Bushmaster after $400 of work.

First of all Impulses are now faster than Angels out of the box 20bps or 24bps I can't remember. The only thing the programing contorls is how many ms the solinoid will direct air to the hammer assembly.

The Impulse has alot available as far as frames go also to make it feel however you want. You can get werm frames (Angel 2K2 frames) or OTB frames (IR3 frames), thats just some of the many frames out there for Impulses. So the feel can be identical to an Angel.

Ok wait a second, an Angel can tell you the temperature. Obviosuly Angels are a better marker.

1) The only way to test the quality of the actual gun is in stock form. Anyone can mod the hell out of a lot of guns and get it to shoot acceptable, that's not the point. It's like the kid with $400+ mods into his spyder, it might shoot decent, but it's still a spyder, period.

2) Sorry, bud, but impulses are still advertised as 13 balls a second with confidence IF you get the vision. Besides that, the IR3 and the 2k3 are also capable of firing 20+. Even if the stock impulse could shoot that fast, which it can't, the impulse doesn't have any 'kick' to assist the shooter in getting above 10-12 balls a second, because NOBODY can actually pull a trigger 20times.

3) It's not just that frame that gives it it's feel, it's the entire cheapness of the gun that makes it feel flimsy. It's an econo marker, that is why it feels like one. The trigger is mushy and is hard to adjust - even the so called 'tuned' impulses don't shorten the trigger much, they'll chop balls like crazy unless you get the vision, and it runs on higher pressure. I'm not sitting here claiming the angel is the best gun in the world hands down, but it is in the upper tier. The upper tier that does NOT include an impulse.

[mykroft]

Verbal.

You've never shot a Strange Impulse. It shows. It's stupid fast and has a stock trigger that blows away an Angel. Just because a stock impulse is a cheap gun, doesn't mean a custom Impy is. A Strange Impulse and a Stock Impulse share only a board and a basic body extrusion, everything else is different.

todz: Big performance difference between a Raced/Ebladed stock cocker and one with internals and pneumatics upgraded to good parts. there's more to the performance equation on a cocker than just an electro frame.

elpimpo: Shoot a Eblade, it'll easily match an Angel. Frankly so will a Blade-Frame Evolution.

Note that virtually every aftermarket Impulse has an LPR, so you can toss that comparison, ditto the crappy trigger, nobody ships aftermarket Impulses with the SP trigger.

And,a s to internal design, the angel and an Impulse with an LPR are functionally identical, so is a bushmaster and a EM1.

[MrFixitx]

Verbal,
I'm not sure where you get your info, but impulse do have kick with the right internals its not much but they certianly have enough kick to get trigger bounce and hit well above 13bps. Stock cricketboard impulse(non vision) have a cap of 13bps unless you get the board uncapped. Cricket Vision impulses have a cap of 20.

As for them feeling cheap I guess thats just an opinion they feel very solid to me, the only guns that have really felt cheap to me are stuff like stingrays and some of the trigger frames on spyders.

Mr.Fixitx

[tommyd46290]

yeah i might have to argue the side of the imps now just because verbal is another teenage duche bag. Any way. Impulse CAN shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger the vision boards are capped a 19.6 balls per second or soemthing like that. no sorry you can't pull the trigger of your angel that fast either there are few people that can.

[Verbal138]

Re: Please post facts not BS

Originally posted by MrFixitx

I also agree that comparing a stock impulse to a IR3 or aftermarket IR3 is a bit unfair, why not compare it say AI, Nasy, Rat, and Strange impulses.

Personally I like impulses better, why?

1. Cost anywhere from $500-1000 less than an angel.
2. Lower pressure operation, valve pressure runs from 135-220 PSI Last I aksed Angel valves ran at around 300ish(if I'm wrong someone let me know)
3. High ROF I can hit a ROF equal to any angel(vision impulse is capped at 20bps in semi same as the IR3 though some impulse boards now allow 24 bps) with my impulse its all on the trigger pull its not the gun lets you get a high rof(with the exception of turbo modes etc..)
4. I prefer the vision eye over COPS, the dark angels I have shot with COPS you had a noticeable ROF drop with cops on vs with it off(and no I didnt chop any paint with it off). With my impulse with vision on I dont see a noticeable change in ROF occasionally it stops for a second to let the hopper catch up but with the COPS it seemed to slow down even if your hopper was keeping up fine.

5. I prefer the impulse stock reg, I get great constincy with my impulse and I the angels I have used with the same paint and air system tend to be less consistent.

Mr.Fixitx

I agree, comparing a stock impulse to an aftermarket IR3 is unfair, that's why guns have to be compared in stock form.

1. The 2K3 angel retails for $850, and you can find a 2k2 for 750-799, so really it's only 200 hundrend dollars if you get vision, the IR3 costs about 1200, but there are impulses that cost 1000, so the real difference is only about $200.

2. The angel runs between 85-95psi, so the angel runs at a much lower pressure.

3. Would you please link me something that says the impulse can reach 20bps? Perhaps a video clip, or a marker review? In every ad I've ever seen for an impulse vision they simply say "13bps with confidence". That aside, it's pretty much impossible to pull a trigger faster than 10-13 times a second unassisted, and even that takes a FAST finger. The reason the angel is able to achieve a HROF in semi-mod, is because the kick actually assists in pulling the trigger and makes you fire faster.

4. I have never run into any such problem when firing a gund with COPS, never. Not sure what the problem was with that one, but the only time it ever slowed me down was when the hopper was almost empty and I was shooting at a funny angle.

5. Sorry, but your observations aren't accurate. Go to PBSTAR.com and read both the angel and the impulse reviews, the angel's deviation was 4.8 fps on one string and 6.2 on the second, the impulse was 6.3 and 7.2fps on the first and second string respectively.

[speedyejl]

Actually stock Impulses now come set at 20bps/24bps no vision. Older Impulses are 13.7bps nonvision and 20/24bps vision. The only Angels which can fire 20bps are aftermarket, or ones which have been hacked (on a note you can get a older nonvision Impulse reprogramed for $30). The Impulse does have kick, mine does and my internals are pretty damn light around 1100grams. Besides getting another shot from kick is called trigger bounce, its illegal if you play at NPPL/PSP tournaments they now have people to check for trigger bounce. Pulling a trigger 20 times a second is hard, but its feasible. I can get my Impulse to beep pretty easily (when mine beeps its hitting 13.7bps).

O and bud (these are the things which really were ignorant, or stupid I'm not sure in your case), you said Angels can easily shoot 20bps thats only aftermarket Angels like Dark, Impact, etc, If you are going to include aftermarket guns like that I think its only fair to start comparing Angels to an AI Impulse. Explain how a stock Impulse feels flimsy? Its made of aluminum the same stuff that Angels are made of! Also Angels w.o a pds chop as much as an Impulse will if you are firing at the same speed with both. Another thing you said is preassure, Angels run at a higher preassure than Impulses out of the box. Besides the fact that saying a gun is lower preassure than another means nothing, preassure between two guns has no bearing at all.

Last thing if Impulses aren't in the upper tier, how come they are the gun of choice for Strange, AA, AA2, Nasty, GZ Black and Silver?

Abe Lincon said" Better to let people think you are an idiot, than open your mouth and remove all doubt"

[MrFixitx]

Verbal138,

Heres your link about impulse ROF

http://www.kamworld.net/paintball/ImpulseFAQ_General.html#G10

2. Angles do no run at 95 PSI their bolt may run at 95 psi but thats not their operating pressure their valve pressure is much higher than that.

3. I dont care about the reviews I'm talking personal experience with consistency. Shooting diablo blaze through a freak with a preset tank I have gotten +2/-2 consistency at the worst on my impulse and its not uncommon to get repeat strings. Shooting an angle with the freak and preset tank I tended to see +4/-4 with occasionally better results.

4. maybe you got lucky on cops2 or got cops2 but the few Dark IR3's I shot with it on had big slow down in their ROF.

And as for the impulse trigger with an adjustable trigger thats a whopping $30 you can get the trigger pull to under 1mm after about 5minutes.

Mr.Fixitx

[speedyejl]

PB star was running Co2 on that Impulse Co2 is by nature more unstable that nitro. Also you obviously don't relize that the pocket chrono they were using is advertisved having a +/- %2 accuracy, which is +/- 6fps.

[Verbal138]

Originally posted by mykroft
Verbal.

You've never shot a Strange Impulse. It shows. It's stupid fast and has a stock trigger that blows away an Angel. Just because a stock impulse is a cheap gun, doesn't mean a custom Impy is. A Strange Impulse and a Stock Impulse share only a board and a basic body extrusion, everything else is different.

Note that virtually every aftermarket Impulse has an LPR, so you can toss that comparison, ditto the crappy trigger, nobody ships aftermarket Impulses with the SP trigger.

And,a s to internal design, the angel and an Impulse with an LPR are functionally identical, so is a bushmaster and a EM1.

I've shot one, haven't played with one but I shot it a few times in the chrono/range area. It's faster than a stock impulse, but nowhere near as fast as a CLASS or many other tuned angels. If you want to talk about tuned impulses, than it's only fair to compare it to a tuned angel. Even a stock LCD is just as fast - faster with kick - as a strange impulse if you adjust your trigger right.

As far as the LPR, even the tuned impulses shoot at a higher pressure than a tuned angel. So, again, if you want to compare a tuned 'x' than you also have to take the tuned 'z'. A Stock/Tuned angel will shoot at a lower pressure than a stock/tuned impulse, respectively.

[speedyejl]

Why don't you tell us why LP is better, ehh?

[Verbal138]

Originally posted by MrFixitx
Verbal,
I'm not sure where you get your info, but impulse do have kick with the right internals its not much but they certianly have enough kick to get trigger bounce and hit well above 13bps. Stock cricketboard impulse(non vision) have a cap of 13bps unless you get the board uncapped. Cricket Vision impulses have a cap of 20.

Mr.Fixitx

With the right internals? We're talking stock here, and even if you had the right internals it's not going to be anywhere near that of an angel. Look in this very thread, several impulse owners were bragging about the LACK of kick. That's supposed to be a good thing? Anytime I've ever shot an impulse the kick consisted of nothing that could ever really achieve any kind of sustainble sweet spot, like it can very easily be done with the angel.

[MrFixitx]

Verbal why dont you find some documentation showing the valve pressure of an Angel instead of just saying its lower pressure?? Back up your claim, I find that after a quick search on other forum sites that the valve pressure of an angel is 350ish PSI much higher than an impulse valve pressure.

2. ROF is based on the USER NOT THE GUN!!! please realise 2 guns both with a less than 1mm trigger pull both with the ablity of having massive trigger bounce will both be able to hit a high ROF!

Mr.Fixitx