ANGEL v.s. impulse ?

[tommyd46290]

i am also suffering from severe stomach cramps due to intense laughing. Verbal the people here are not idiots. Most of them any way...you and a few others are exceptions. We know what we are talking about. you do not. So take a seat. Let the big boys discuss this. Im not sure you grasp the concept of your trigger pulls the trigger not the gun. Kick can help bounce not create it. The strange impulse is the fastest cycling impulse i have EVER shot. I loved it. i am still true the angel but since i dont like you i am arguing the side of the impulse.

[cris8762]

oh yeah let me make a few things clear real quick:

TRIGGER BOUNCE IS ILLEGAL IN THE NPPL!! NOONE CAN HAVE IT!!

THE NEW SHOCKER IS NOT RELEASED YET! LAST I HEARD THE PROTOTYPE WAS FULL OF BUGS THEY HAD TO WORK OUT!!!!

[Verbal138]

You know what you're talking about tommy? Funny....

>"Im not sure you grasp the concept of your trigger pulls the trigger not the gun. Kick can help bounce not create it."

Riiiiigggghhhhtttt, if a gun had NO kick at all, it would be close to impossible to get it to 'bounce' when the 'bouncing' is caused by the movement of the gun and how it reacts with your finger. That aside, even by your own admission 'kick can help bounce' and that is why I'm saying the angel is faster than the impulse. Because the extra kick makes the possibility of ripping off a bounce strand greater and makes it easier to do intentionally.

[Verbal138]

Originally posted by cris8762
oh yeah let me make a few things clear real quick:

TRIGGER BOUNCE IS ILLEGAL IN THE NPPL!! NOONE CAN HAVE IT!!

THE NEW SHOCKER IS NOT RELEASED YET! LAST I HEARD THE PROTOTYPE WAS FULL OF BUGS THEY HAD TO WORK OUT!!!!

It might be, but it's not illegal at the MTS in colorado, and also I don't see how they can enforce that unless they are talking about the guys who set their guns up to 'bounce' by simply holding the trigger at a certain position, that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about when you are railing on the trigger and you leave your finger a little loose so that it will give you a few more BPS.

As far as the new shocker, so the AA's weren't using it in NO or LA?

[cris8762]

if they were then we would've known about it by now....maybe i missed it somewhere..can you provide some proof of this?

i still need proof of all ur claims (and STOP quoting that BS pbstar review, they were using a VERY stock older version impulse ON CO2 with NO mods done to it and none of the original problems that it had fixed liike in the new version)

[mykroft]

Frankly, if a wicked fast trigger is all you want, you don't want a Impy or an Angel. You want a Matrix with the 'Vark 45 frame and stock trigger. 20bps+ is possible rolling the trigger on that baby.

No bounce, no juggling, just rolling.

Verbal: First you say we can't comare 'stock guns', then you compare a retail Strange to LaSoya's personal marker. An Angel with a severe trigger job will beat a Strange Impy without a Trigger Job, maybe (My personal Fav is the 1x trigger on the Cobra LCD, wicked fast, but that was a heavily tweaked trigger and no longer available). But the retail CLASS just has a pretty much stock IR3 trigger job, no comparison to teh Strange's trigger.

[Verbal138]

No, I don't have any proof just someone who was in LA said that he saw some of their players shooting them. That's why I was asking you. I looked on warpig and they don't have any pics of the AA's yet. I checked the NO ones though, and it didn't look like they were using them there.

As far as the impulse and Co2, everything I've read from smart parts claims that Co2 will run almost identical to compressed air under good conditions, something that PBstar repeated in their review.

As far as proof of my claims, list the ones you would like me to back up and I'll see what I can find online to link to.

[Verbal138]

Originally posted by mykroft
Frankly, if a wicked fast trigger is all you want, you don't want a Impy or an Angel. You want a Matrix with the 'Vark 45 frame and stock trigger. 20bps+ is possible rolling the trigger on that baby.

No bounce, no juggling, just rolling.

Verbal: First you say we can't comare 'stock guns', then you compare a retail Strange to LaSoya's personal marker. An Angel with a severe trigger job will beat a Strange Impy without a Trigger Job, maybe (My personal Fav is the 1x trigger on the Cobra LCD, wicked fast, but that was a heavily tweaked trigger and no longer available). But the retail CLASS just has a pretty much stock IR3 trigger job, no comparison to teh Strange's trigger.

Aren't they making those rolling triggers for other guns as well? And is that even NPPL legal?

As far as the rest, yes, I still am saying that a stock to stock comparison is the best judge of the quality of any particular marker. You brought up a moded/tuned marker, so did I. Perhaps the CLASS gun I shot had additional trigger work, but it was much nicer than a stock angel.

[speedyejl]

Originally posted by Verbal138

NOBODY can actually pull a trigger 20times.

You didn't mention on an Impulse which has no kick, with trigger bounce etc. Just stated it plain and simple

Saying an Angel feels more solid is just dumb, two peices of metal. Angel LCD do have many more features than Impulses, that has no bearing on performance though. An AI and an Angel feel pretty damn similar.

At heart its still a peice of junk? Well you are implying that paintball markers have something in the way of a soul, Im not even going to go there. Thats like saying someone who grew up in poverty and was dirty, will still be dirty at heart even if they become rich, urbane, clean etc.

When you talk about Rolexes and Folexes I'm willing to bet the $20 one can still tell the time as acurately as the $5,000 one, it just dosen't come with braging rights. Also they probably are asthetically similar.

They also seriously do not have lack of kick compared to an Angel. A stock Impulse has much more kick than a stock Angel any type. I have worked on both many times, if you don't belive me go find try them and come back with raw data.

Using logic one should assume that everything you said in regard to Angels vs Impulses is false.

[mykroft]

Verbal.

Chris LaSoya's personal Angel isn't a suitable comparison to an Impulse I can buy through any Smart Parts dealer. A CLASS is but LaSoya doesn't shoot a stock CLASS any more than Mike Carthy shoots a stock Strange.

Rolling a trigger is related to geometry, and the Stock Matrix trigger doesn't fit other guns, even if it is based off the Angel Trigger. Rolling doesn't involve trigger bounce at all, just a bit of tuning and a sensitive microswitch. Pretty much any trigger on a Matrix can be rolled, some Angel trigegrs can, but not to the same effect. It's a variant on juggling rather than 'bounce'.

[Verbal138]

[Verbal138]

Originally posted by mykroft
Verbal.

Chris LaSoya's personal Angel isn't a suitable comparison to an Impulse I can buy through any Smart Parts dealer. A CLASS is but LaSoya doesn't shoot a stock CLASS any more than Mike Carthy shoots a stock Strange.

See, and that's the real problem when comparing moded/tuned guns. The only reason I brought up his personal gun was to demonstrate that yes, the angel can be tuned to perform at a higher level. I still think that stock vs stock is the best comparison.

[minimag187]

Well the reason there arent very many aftermarket angels is because nothing is realy out there to make them better, but I do agree impulses are about just as easy to shoot fast once you get a new trigger and maybe a trigger job, angels usually need a job when you get them too.. I still do like my angel more though.

[magman007]

First off Verbal, you need to shut the hell up and listen.


1. One of your arguments was kick. Well lets see here, Triggerbouncing is illegal, and if you rely on it to make your rof higher, than i am truely sorry for you, and for your oponets who you play un fairly against.

2. you claim that kick doesnt effect accuracy, you even used a colt 45 as an example. YOU ARE WRONG! any extra movement of the marker translates into your barrel moving, what happens when the barrel moves? the ball fired goes where the barrel was pointed(more or less)

3. You even claimed that some markers have more range than others. If you were a self respected paintballer, you would know your facts. No marker shoots further than another, unless it is equpiied with a backspin inducing adjustment.

4. If kick was a good thing, then why arent marker internals made out of lead? If you really want kick, then go for it. most people will agree, that the marker with the less kick, is the easiest to shoot straight. Also, most tourny players do not have the time nor the need to worry about compensating for kick in a game. I know i dont, that is why i shot a sfl e-mag with level 10.

5. Trigger bounce is not always created by kick, it can be from the trigger bouncing off the micro switch, and on to the front of your finger and back again.

6. Your comparing opinions. It doesnt matter really. IF people are more comefortable with an impulse than an angel, let them be. if you perform better ith one said marker than another, how does the other one make it better for you?

7. You call it an econo electro marker. It was origionally designed to be that yes, but, It will not always be an econo marker now will it? Apparently it isnt, as they are comming better stock etc, and the custom versions, are ofering more and more.

8. compare an AI impulse to an IMpact ir3 or a mamba. The 2 top custom angels out there. Now look, the ai is better, im sorry, but it is. The impact and mamba utilize some fancy milling and some upgrades, but there is nothing that you can really do to the ir3 to make it perform better, the IMpulse you can. Stock to stock you say? well, its all about how well a person can play with the said instrument.

). Give up, you have made many people angry and irate, and you are bringing a disturbance to AO. Cool your jets, and adsmit your wrong. Your just like this one kid who would swear cockers shot farther.... Please, take this into consideration, and let this die. Believe what you want, it is your opinion, and some one elses is different, agree to dissagree..



also... Id like to say, impulses are alot like timmies as well... Ehem, have you noticed what chris lasoya is shoting now?

[Cliffio]

alright, well ive been avoiding this thread like the plague, but magman, ive gotta say a few things

Originally posted by magman007

8. compare an AI impulse to an IMpact ir3 or a mamba. The 2 top custom angels out there. Now look, the ai is better, im sorry, but it is. The impact and mamba utilize some fancy milling and some upgrades, but there is nothing that you can really do to the ir3 to make it perform better, the IMpulse you can. Stock to stock you say? well, its all about how well a person can play with the said instrument.

Ehem, have you noticed what chris lasoya is shoting now?

i see no proof in that argument

what makes the ai any better than a mamba?

and stock for stock is a good example, the impulses come with some crappy trigger, and rather inefficient, pick up an angel right out of the box, you have absolutly no problems, maybe a new bolt but the impulse bolt is nothing to brag about

the mamba and impact and dark dont perform much better than a stock ir3, and why is that? because when your the pinnacle of paintball, where else is there to go?

im sorry but having shot more than one impulse, and more than one type of angel, my 99 led shoots better than any impulse ive ever shot
and maybe thats my opinion, but this thread is wholy based off peoples opinions

and as far as pro people shooting guns, the tippmann team is proof enough that pros shoot what they are told to shoot