ANGEL v.s. impulse ?

[speedyejl]

Tippmans arent that bad...

But to be fair, most pro teams shoot what they are told to at some level. Gun choices of am teams are a better judgement, but just because a gun team uses a certain gun dosen't mean alot.

Also, Verbal ad hominem abusive is striking someones credibilty by essintley calling them a name but providing no reasons, which is why the hominem is there.. The closest thing I said to that was , that calling an angel more solid than an Impulse was dumb. I didn't call anyone dumb, or say that we shouldn't listen to pbstar because they are dumb or any other of those reviewers.

Max potential blah, blah? Unless its fair to compare two guns when one of them has a gaping hole in the side, I think we are talking about how well each can perform.

Also an Angel in reality has much more mechanical movement than a Shocker, I'm not going to say more about PBtimes article.

Rolexes are completly a status symbol. If changing batteries is why a Rolex is better a $150 Citizen will also tell time forever. None the less most Folexes you buy on the street are made of stainless steel and brass. They don't have paint on them or any thing else, just cheap metals. My friend is an advid colector of Fomegas and Folexes if you will, and none of them have ever broken on him. They also have turned him green. Mabye if the watch was made of copper it would turn you green, but copper is more valuable than brass, and brass looks much better.They will tell time as accurately as a watch with solar cells or perpetual movement, they just need battery changes. You also can't say that you have a Rolex, or show it off. Thats enough for watches.

With the cars there is arounds a $100,000 price difference between the two, which is much larger (even as a ratio) than the price difference between a Stock Impulse and Angel. If you still insist though that its only fair to compare in Stock Forms, you do save around $500 from a Stock Impulse and a Stock Mark 2 Angel (choose whatever year you like). "Performance" Impulses like AIs, Nasties, Rats, etc are all made by Smart Parts so I think (it is opinion as is how you feel) that they should be included in the comparision vs. an Angel.

This thread has reached a point of ad nausem to me, just tired of it all.

https://www.butters.org

BTW, Mags use a Hall Efect sensor so they can't even get trigger bounce.

[tommyd46290]

this will be verbal when he gets older i am done posting in this useless thread it is a battle of people's opinions. The only wrong person here is verbal.

[magman007]

Originally posted by speedyejl
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BTW, Mags use a Hall Efect sensor so they can't even get trigger bounce.

buzzzzz wrong!!!! the e-mag uses a hes sensor yes, but in hybrid, it is fully capable of trigger bouncing, and rt's with a good imput can bounce as well, it is illegal and no one should do it

[speedyejl]

e-mode

[Verbal138]

magman007:

1. You tell me how it is even possible to tell if you are getting a few extra bps by allowing the kick to bounce the trigger as you're pulling it? It's IMPOSSIBLE, and thus can't be banned. The only thing that can be banned is when people set their trigger so that all they have to do is hold their trigger loosely at a certain position, that's not what I'm talking about.

2. I said kick doesn't make a marker/gun innacurate as long as someone is relatively used to it. I can guarantee you that I - and just about anyone who has every owned an angel - can shoot the marker just as accurate as a marker with less kick. The colt 45 was an extreme example to overemphasize the fact that even a gun with a LOT of kick - compared to an angel - can be very accurate even at high rates of fire.

3. No, actually I didn't. I mentioned 'range' once, and was speaking of accuracy at longer ranges, and I explained this if you didn't have the comprehension skills of a junior higher you would have known this.

4. I was never suggesting that a LOT of kick helps, but the small kick the angel provides is enough to assist your rate of fire and not enough to really effect accuracy. If you honestly think that tourny players shooting angels don't get a little boost from the kick, then you are truly clueless.

5. Yes, that is how bounce works, but what is driving the bounce is the motion of the gun. If you're just pulling the trigger with your finger, that's not bounce.

6. I'm not saying that someone can't prefer the impulse to the angel, because they can. Hell, someone could prefer a spyder to an angel and that's fine by me.... but the angel is a marker of MUCH higher quality and is a better marker, period. I wouldn't say the angel was better than a timmy, shocker or Emag, because they are all in the top tier of electros. Even P8ntballer.com says it is unfair to compare it to the angel, but that it is of the same "ilk" as the bushmaster etc...

7. Of course it will always be an econo marker as long as smart parts makes it that way. It's not as if they have substantially improved upon it, maybe got some of the bugs out, but the stock impulse is still very much an econo electro. The very existence of the shocker prooves this.

8. You didn't back anything up you said. You just spout off nonsense that was barely understandable. A tuned angel might not be superior to the base as much as the impulse tuned guns are superior to the stock impulses.... but the tuned angel is STILL better because of the MASSIVE gap there is between the stock models. Cliffio is 100% right, my 98 eclipse angel was far superior to any impulse that I've ever shot, and that was based off of the original LED model.

...as far as what lasoya is shooting, did you notice he started a new team? Think a new sponsor has anything to do with that? And a timmy is a superior marker, not an econo one like an impulse.

[Verbal138]

1. Look, you can use a search engine, congratulations. You said that I was ignorant or stupid and that you couldn't tell which, and then used that as a major premise to contest my arguments, this is close to text book definition buddy, try looking it up again and re-reading the definition.

...also, I didn't notice it earlier, but you committed the ad hominem circumstantial when you argued that everything I say should be ignored because you claimed that some/most of my points were invalid. Again, don't try and act like you have a clue when it comes to logic, it is blatanly obvious that you are completely ignorant in this regard.

2. Well, besides this being argued on the previous page - a sign your argument has been dismantled - you said that I said the following: "Its fair to compare the max potential of an Impulse and Angle when using a stock Impulse for the Impulse side" when I never said anything about the max potential of anything - this is an example of the straw man fallacy - I have always stated that stock vs stock is the true way to compare guns, because a moded gun brings in way too many variables.

3. You're changing the argument, another sign of a weak argument/position. We were talking about a $20 dollar knockoff purchased off a vendor in mexico, and they absolutely will flake off, turn your hand green, and I've even seen the arms fall off and the cheap clasps break. A rolex is far superior in everyway to a $20 knockoff, if you truly dispute this, than you are either completely ignorant or are allowing your desire to back up your weak argument with anything surpass what you know to be true.

4. For one, there's only about 15-20k difference between an accord and a boxster, but that is irrelevant. You said NOTHING about price of an item, obviously a more expensive item can feel more 'solid', and this was MY argument, thank you for re-enforcing it for me. YOUR argument was that one item made of the SAME material as another could not have a more 'solid' feel than the other item - well, you just disproved your own claim, congratulations.

Also, impulses usually range from 450-550, the 2k3 LCD LE - which means it was most likely priced higher than the full run - was 850, so it's more like 300-400, but this is why the impulse is an econo marker.

[Verbal138]

Sorry, tommy, as much as you would like to think I'm only a teenager - so then I would be on the same intellectual plane as you - I'm not, sorry to burst your bubble.

[EsPo]

in my opinion the only way to compare two guns is if they are of equal value... therefore, take an imp.. put 400 into it (400 for the imp + 400 = 800.. 800 = 2k3 lcd).. then compare.

[Cliffio]

or a 400 dollar impulse and a 400 dollar LED


no comparison, led every time



Cliff

you can even take a brand new 2003 if you want, and the 1999 led, still hands down

[ccarrigan]

[Eminem]

I ain't heard a word you said, HIBBIDY HOOP LA!

[/Eminem]

This is not meant to go against anybody here because I believe everyone here actually plays paintball and everyone has at least shot these markers at some point in time. What boggles my mind is that nobody has actually said anything other than opinion yet. And I think that this is what it comes down to in high end markers is just opinion. So somebody can argue a point to death and in the end you still just have two great markers that any tourney level player could use just fine. What is my point? I really don't know. I was just chiming in for a first post. I am a cocker fan but I think any gun that is tuned properly with a decent loader will work just fine for any type of play.

[Ultimator]

Wow looking back on this thread, it is REALLY stupid. I would go back and delete my posts but that takes too much effort.

The Revelation I have come across:

I can shoot you out with my Rat Impulse. It works for me. I can shoot it fast, consistently, and efficiently, and that's all that matters! Hey, if you want to use the Angel, go right ahead, because it is a good marker as well. Whatever you are comfortable with is fine by me.

[ccarrigan]

[GOD]

LET THERE BE LIGHT

[/GOD]

And the almighty above has spoken!