The new ANGEL SPEED (first hand)

[digitard]

Okay,
So my friend who owns paintballarizona.com just went to the Vegas NPPL and they had 30 of the new Angel Speed markers for sale (only 30 in the US) .. he got #2. He brought it back and sold it to someone on our team who just used it yesterday at the Desert Cup tourny ... after watching him use it all day and actually playing with it for a bit here's my feedback.

1) Its the best Angel EVER! Its got the new Cops on it, and its basically a LED version of the IR3

The reason I like that is not only do you get the wicked ROF and stuff of the IR3, you dont have the LCD and all that junk to worry about or have go wrong.

The marker is AMAZING ... if your an Angel person I highly recommend looking into it.

Sincerely,
Dave K

[fire1811]

yeah i love my xmag but i have to say the speed does
rip.

i had an Dark led angel and loved the fact that you just
flipped a switch and you where good to go
all that crap on ir3 and lcds is just something
else to break(let the flaming begin )

here is a vid of speed in action

http://www.forceofnature.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownload&cid=12

[Havoc_online]

everything rips nowadays.

call me when you get a vid of it doing 30.

I'm curious, will it pinch paint?(they boasted about a lower bolt speed, etc. (yet they can shoot FASTER!?))

WDP's motto should be "Sell your old Angel, buy our new Angel". or "As if we didnt have the best marker(by far) in the world already - we figure out how to make it better every few months so keep sending us your money!!!"
maybe even "Believe what we tell you to believe, please?"

[fire1811]

30bps...maaayyybeeee

as for pinching paint
lets just say im not going to stick my finger in the
feedtube

[ReTro Boy]

Originally posted by fire1811
as for pinching paint
lets just say im not going to stick my finger in the
feedtube

Now THAT'S a video I'd like to see...

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

hmm finger? why not your tounge? (tom )

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
WDP's motto should be "Sell your old Angel, buy our new Angel". or "As if we didnt have the best marker(by far) in the world already - we figure out how to make it better every few months so keep sending us your money!!!"
maybe even "Believe what we tell you to believe, please?"

you know when you open the can of company attacks, your gun choice isnt bullet proof.

[Jonesie]

Well, when someone puts a morlock board (or equivalent) in it and gets it to cycle @ 30bps, I'd like to see it. My guess is that it will have a noticable amount of shoootdown.

Please note: I did not say massive, large, huge, or any other adjective of the large variety. It is my belief that it will exhibit signs of shootdown at that ROF.

Now having said that, do we have a video of the E-Mag doing 30bps? I thought I recalled seeing one that proves there is no shootdown. Can someone post a link?

Thanks ~ Dave

[JEDI]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
everything rips nowadays.

call me when you get a vid of it doing 30.

I'm curious, will it pinch paint?(they boasted about a lower bolt speed, etc. (yet they can shoot FASTER!?))

WDP's motto should be "Sell your old Angel, buy our new Angel". or "As if we didnt have the best marker(by far) in the world already - we figure out how to make it better every few months so keep sending us your money!!!"
maybe even "Believe what we tell you to believe, please?"

There's a typical AutoMag user answer. "Dont believe the hype unless it's in our favor." What does 30 bps do for you? You can't shoot that fast. Its not like the gun only doing twenty, is limiting your game play.

It doesnt say anywhere, slower bolt speed. It says lower pressure running the bolt. So it probably has more ability to pinch. Unless you want to flat out not believe it (which is a valid opinion) it does claim to be capable of 30 bps.

Besides, "everything rips nowadays"

[azzkikr]

i stick my finger in my angels feedtube all the time. whats so bad about it? it doesn't hurt. i would post a video but my little digital camera takes video but without sound, and I know that someone here wouldn't belive that I was acutally fireing since they couldn't do a sound analisis and whatnot.

[Jonesie]

Originally posted by JEDI

There's a typical AutoMag user answer. "Dont believe the hype unless it's in our favor." What does 30 bps do for you? You can't shoot that fast. Its not like the gun only doing twenty, is limiting your game play.

It doesnt say anywhere, slower bolt speed. It says lower pressure running the bolt. So it probably has more ability to pinch. Unless you want to flat out not believe it (which is a valid opinion) it does claim to be capable of 30 bps.

Besides, "everything rips nowadays"

Actually, I think a fairer assumption of an Mag user would be:
"Don't believe the hype without proof." Most everything we believe around here (Cockers not shooting farther, E-Mag cycles @ 30bps w/shootdown, etc) has been proven.

I agree, who could actually get 30 and why would it matter? For me, it's more of an issue with baseless claims. That's the thing I hate most about our sport. 'Cockers shoot farther because their cockers' etc. WDP publishes this info and offers no support that I can find.

Let the Angel shoot 30bps without shootdown, that's be great! I'd say show me a human hitting 30 in semi with their own finger.

Later ~ Dave

[Havoc_online]

"Dont believe the hype unless it's in our favor."

I dont believe anything until I see it. AGD is usually the one to dish out proof at the same time they make claims. And when I hear something pro-mag that aint true, I stop it. So dont be so quick to bunch me with the type you seem to know.

What does 30 bps do for you? You can't shoot that fast.

what you said is worthless, when did I say I needed to shoot that fast, I only said that I wanted to see a vid, I want them to back thier claim(It probably could be done but I wont be a believer until I see it).

It doesnt say anywhere, slower bolt speed.

from the actual advertisement:

LPR pressure is 1/3 less than previous Angels, meaning 33% less force is applied by the bolt to the ball.

33% less force means 33% slower than before before

Clif-
I CHOOSE AGD because I have always known and seen them to do the right thing and not release anything I'd question.

I dont just flat out choose to hate other companies either(I wait to make my opinion), there are plenty that I like other than AGD(although I only use AGD products) however I have been in the position to see what goes on first hand(plenty of times) and what WDP will resort to in order to try and control the market, THAT's why I hate them.

[Cliffio]

wdp tries to control the market?? oh please

wdp has 2 guns the ir3 and the speed, you could count 2k3 lcd altho they are not made and only a limited number were made.
no other company has fewer high end markers besides maybe smart parts.


your quote below shows quite a bit of ignorance, if you think that wdp is the only company to bring new models to create sales. did agd not create the xmag to generate revenue? and do you think that every person with an emag will keep theirs even after the 12 month waiting list is over? im sure not.

Originally posted by Havoc_online
WDP's motto should be "Sell your old Angel, buy our new Angel". or "As if we didnt have the best marker(by far) in the world already - we figure out how to make it better every few months so keep sending us your money!!!"

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
I CHOOSE AGD because I have always known and seen them to do the right thing and not release anything I'd question.

how easily you forget the superbolt

[Gecko]

Havoc
Bolt speed is totally determined by flow into the cylinder, this is why you see all the timmy users putting high flow bards onto thier guns.
All pressure controls is the force with which the bolt moves. The reason people correlate bolt speed and pressure is because generally with higher pressures greater flow is found
I always thought speed was controlled by pressure until my fluid power teacher beat the real info into my skull