The new ANGEL SPEED (first hand)

[Miscue]

Havoc's claims are substantiated. Nothing wrong with what he has said. You guys just throw around words, like 'biased', rather than explain why what he has said is inaccurate, if they are at all.

Knock off the 'biased' crap, and explain the WHY's and HOW COME's... which you head flappers have not delivered.

[CRog075]

Originally posted by Miscue
Havoc's claims are substantiated. Nothing wrong with what he has said. You guys just throw around words, like 'biased', rather than explain why what he has said is inaccurate, if they are at all.

Knock off the 'biased' crap, and explain the WHY's and HOW COME's... which you head flappers have not delivered.

So havoc just didnt throw around words?

[Miscue]

No.

[CRog075]

Originally posted by Havoc_online

WDP's motto should be "Sell your old Angel, buy our new Angel". or "As if we didnt have the best marker(by far) in the world already - we figure out how to make it better every few months so keep sending us your money!!!"
maybe even "Believe what we tell you to believe, please?"

I call that throwing around bs words.

[Miscue]

It's a sarcastic remark in case you didn't notice.

[Cliffio]

squid, an impact is still an lcd or an ir3 im talking models not milling types


to everyone that thinks this is a flame contest, look back at what started it all, not an angel person saying anything about how good it was but rather some saying other things.

[Havoc_online]

LOL, I get back online and see that I've been "pwned"

All everyone did was twist my words around and argue points I didnt make.

It seems most of the people in here need to relax and know how and when to take a joke(which is what my "motto" statement was).

I never said that WDP made worthless products, I only stated that I wanted to see them back thier claims. The Angel in most if not all it's forms is a great marker. I just dont like the people who run the company. and YES they try and control the market, but it would be bad form to say how(even at the risk of looking wrong, but if/when we meet someday Cliff, remind me and I'll tell you:))


with the lack of spyders or experince statement alone, plz - there's probably more spyders and clones then any other 3 high-end selling markers so that point is also worthless, just cause there's more of something or less of something doesnt make it the best or worst.

Unless valid reasoning is made I'm not posting in here anymore, lol.

[Miscue]

Word.

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by Cliffio
squid, an impact is still an lcd or an ir3 im talking models not milling types


to everyone that thinks this is a flame contest, look back at what started it all, not an angel person saying anything about how good it was but rather some saying other things.

Oh, personally I would consider it a an angel to be accounted for, but dont worry, I got your back. Oh, and miscue, wtf is your problem? What he said was biased, there need be no explanation for it.

[Miscue]

How is it biased. Explain.

[FooTemps]

About 100% of the people I play with outside of AO play with own spyders/spyder clones... Is there a problem with that? No! The majority of my friends are rec ballers that dont' play on a weekly basis. (i'm in the category but I'm hoping that will change) They don't want to crack open their savings accounts to buy an angel or a cocker or a mag. They wish they could play more, they wish they could get better guns. BUT, they don't have the need for them so they don't buy them. If you don't understand that some people can't just pay 1000 for an angel or even 300 for a cocker then you've got to quit hanging with those high end gun users and hang out with the newbs more. It's insane to buy an angel if you play once every month or even every other month in a woods field.

All the complanies make so many claims these days about their high end markers. It's stupid to even bother with arguing those sometimes. We can't prove each point unless you hack the board to see the max bps on unlimited full auto. We can't find out how consisent a marker is during full auto. Sure, they can say the angel speed, emag, timmy, whatever could fire 30bps, but would it really change our game so much? No, it's just a show to get more customers. They're all top end markers so it wouldn't matter which one you play with. At that point all that really matters is preference. You can be pro-emag, pro-angel, pro-eblade cocker, pro-whatever but you should at least admit that all these markers will perform in the range of excelling to make me pee my pants awesome.

[CRog075]

Originally posted by Havoc_online

I CHOOSE AGD because I have always known and seen them to do the right thing and not release anything I'd question.

I dont just flat out choose to hate other companies either(I wait to make my opinion), there are plenty that I like other than AGD(although I only use AGD products) however I have been in the position to see what goes on first hand(plenty of times) and what WDP will resort to in order to try and control the market, THAT's why I hate them.

I think that pretty sums up some of the biased stuff he says. Mainly when he says "I only use AGD Products". The only people who would really use AGD products are, people biased towards AGD, or AGD Fanboys. He also states he hates WDP, and he says that he likes other companies, but doesnt state which ones, which are none. So in conclusion:

havoc = agd fanboy

[Havoc_online]

there are plenty that I like other than AGD

"He also states he hates WDP"

The Angel in most if not all it's forms is a great marker. I just dont like the people who run the company

CRog075 = SLOWboy


:)

[Miscue]

Aye. I forget about the 12 year olds on this board.

I own AGD guns exclusively, until money finds me. I like Autocockers. I like Angels. I like Timmys. Played with them all... they all work fine. Havoc could tell you the same.

Do we have to buy the guns we talk about to not be biased? That is ridiculous!

Just because someone is a fan of one particular company, does not mean that what he says about others is A. Biased or B. Incorrect.

Just because someone doesn't like something or the people involved, doesn't mean they are biased. I hate bees, and wasps... if I say that they have 6 legs should you ignore this because I am 'biased' against bees and wasps?

And... is anything Havoc has said wrong? If it's not wrong, then where's the issue of bias? The problem with bias is that it leads to the 'wrong' conclusions for the 'wrong' reasons. I don't see where he's done this. Point it out if you can.

The word is being used out of context.

[magman007]

and just to remind you all, the agd superbolt was scrapped, because some kid lied about them breaking in a very dangerous way, causing tom to do a full recall on the bolt. Afterthat, and the breakage problems, tom decided to stop it there, good and for all. Now, with lvl 10, tom could create a new super bolt, and probabally have it work just fine.