The new ANGEL SPEED (first hand)

[Havoc_online]

Originally posted by Cliffio
wdp tries to control the market?? oh please

wdp has 2 guns the ir3 and the speed, you could count 2k3 lcd altho they are not made and only a limited number were made.
no other company has fewer high end markers besides maybe smart parts.


your quote below shows quite a bit of ignorance, if you think that wdp is the only company to bring new models to create sales. did agd not create the xmag to generate revenue? and do you think that every person with an emag will keep theirs even after the 12 month waiting list is over? im sure not.

lol,
1.how long after the Emag did AGD release the Xmag?
2. how many angels were released in 02'-03' ?

and AGD is STILL building newer upgrades and giving more options to the Emag owners so they always have the up to date custom marker they want without having to buy an all new marker.

As for the superbolt, it was a machining error that caused all the problems, an error which was taken care of for free to all the customers by AGD.

[Ironmag]

Here is my opinion on this whole "30 bps" thing. As in other markers like the timmy, the "X" bps number for traditional electronic markers (ie, timmy, angel, etc... that use micro switches instead of magnets) means that it slices the time into that many parts. For example, a stock timmy can shoot as fast as 14 bps. What that means if you pull the trigger just right and at the right speed, you can get upto 14 shots, but most likely you will get about 11 or 12 since humans aren't machines and most likely not get a perfect rhythm. That is why they make the WAS board and such that shoot at 66.6 bps. Now, it's impossible to shoot at 66.6 balls per second but that just gives you the opportunity/guarantee to shoot every time you pull the trigger. I see the same idea with the Angel when they say it shoots at 30 bps, it's just more windows of opportunity to get your shot off. I really like this gun and most likely the money that I get working this summer will be put into getting this gun. I see nothing wrong with companies wanting to improve their products, be it twice a year or whatever. There is no single perfect product, just about everything can be improved upon. That's my $0.02.

[Cliffio]

wdp had one model in 2002 the ir3 and 3 models in 2003 ir3, lcd, speed


and the led was out for 2 years before the lcd, the lcd was out for 2 years until the ir3 and the ir3 was out for a year until the speed.


how about those timmys? how about those impulses? why only pick on wdp if you want to talk about models? bob longs website sells what, 4 or 5 timmys that are the same?

[fire1811]

its just nice when a upgrade comes out you know
you dont have to buy a new gun, because it will fit all guns they have made.

and when when agd comes out with an upgrade it ACTUALLY
is for better performance.

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
and AGD is STILL building newer upgrades and giving more options to the Emag owners so they always have the up to date custom marker they want without having to buy an all new marker.

and all the upgrades are available for normal emags that come with the x-mag.
can't get ace
no modular feeds

As for the superbolt, it was a machining error that caused all the problems, an error which was taken care of for free to all the customers by AGD.

if it was a machining error, why'd they scrap it vs. running a new batch?

[nippinout]

With the 33% reduction in LPR psi, I want to know what they changed for that to work.

You can reduce the psi, but you'd have to increase the size of the hammer area or it's mass. It still has to open up a valve. F=ma.

33% reduction in LPR psi = hype.

[Cliffio]

its not hype, the lpr pressure doesnt lie it use to be 87 or whatnot and now its something aaround 60.

im not positive about the numbers

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by fire1811
its just nice when a upgrade comes out you know
you dont have to buy a new gun, because it will fit all guns they have made.

note above
also ULE's won't fit RTs or micromags
x-valves - no go in RTs

[CRog075]

haha havoc is getting pwned by so many people. I love to see mag fanboys like havoc get pwned.


Please havoc, once the number of emag users reach the number of angel users, gimme a ring. Till then, I know more people who use LED's then e-mags. Pfftt....mag fanboys

[CRog075]

Originally posted by Havoc_online

WDP's motto should be "Sell your old Angel, buy our new Angel". or "As if we didnt have the best marker(by far) in the world already - we figure out how to make it better every few months so keep sending us your money!!!"
maybe even "Believe what we tell you to believe, please?"

Also, should was those quotes suppose to be funny or something? I don't get it.....

[fire1811]

posted by crog075
Please havoc, once the number of emag users reach the number of angel users, gimme a ring. Till then, I know more people who use LED's then e-mags. Pfftt....mag fanboys

yeah and i know more ppl that use spyders then
angels

angelboys OWNED

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by wyn1370

note above
also ULE's won't fit RTs or micromags
x-valves - no go in RTs

the micro mag is in essence a custom automag so how is it a problem if the ule body doesnt fit on a micro mag body(besides they are both aluminum anyway)

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Cliffio
its not hype, the lpr pressure doesnt lie it use to be 87 or whatnot and now its something aaround 60.

im not positive about the numbers

WDP didn't tell us what they changed to allow that lower operating pressure. They still have to open a valve.

The hammer/bolt/ram force has to be greater than the valve pin force to open it.

Reducing the operating pressure is fine and dandy, but it won't necessarily aid in slower bolt speed and less chopping.

[fire1811]

ahhh but its a good selling point

[nippinout]

Oh definitely it's a good selling point.

I REALLY like the look of the speedometer looking meter on the board.

Reminds me of the fad when every car had to have LED speedos and tachs. :)