The new ANGEL SPEED (first hand)

[CRog075]

Originally posted by fire1811


yeah and i know more ppl that use spyders then
angels

angelboys OWNED

If you know more people that use spyders, then you sir, are a newbie. You must not do alot of tournament ball.

[WARPED1]

I'm speechless, I'd buy one if I had the money.

[nippinout]

Originally posted by CRog075


If you know more people that use spyders, then you sir, are a newbie. You must not do alot of tournament ball.

What's so wrong with that?

I know people with stock cockers. OOOH, SINNERS!!!

What's wrong with not playing tourneys? I don't, I'm strictly rec-ball.

I do not appreciate people who look down on those who are noobs or those who don't play tourneys.

You officially suck.

[fire1811]

crog075
If you know more people that use spyders, then you sir, are a newbie. You must not do alot of tournament ball

me a newb with not a lot of tourny ball eh..hmmm
how about 1st place skyball, 1st place hunington beach NPPL, 2nd place Las vegas NPPL

yep your right no experiance at all


sorry to tell you this but there are a lot more rec players then tourney players and most of them dont use $1500 guns
who do you think is making the sport cheaper for tourny players??? its the rec ballers so its best not to jag on them.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by JEDI

There's a typical AutoMag user answer. "Dont believe the hype unless it's in our favor." What does 30 bps do for you? You can't shoot that fast. Its not like the gun only doing twenty, is limiting your game play.

It doesnt say anywhere, slower bolt speed. It says lower pressure running the bolt. So it probably has more ability to pinch. Unless you want to flat out not believe it (which is a valid opinion) it does claim to be capable of 30 bps.

Besides, "everything rips nowadays"

I thought the same exact thing, mag guys seem pretty close minded when something challenges thier mag.(and I shoot two mags!)

[Smoken]

Shoot, I was hoping to find some feedback on what people think of the Speed b/c for the price it sounds pretty cool, and you all turned this into a flamefest. Grow up.

[Manuel_FZR]

[Cyberious]

Originally posted by CRog075


If you know more people that use spyders, then you sir, are a newbie. You must not do alot of tournament ball.

You can't be serious. I hope not since this sounds like some sort of eliteism. It is highly likely that a majority of players do use Spyders (and clones). This is particularly true if you include field rentals. You can't really believe that the largest percentage of the 3 million + paintball players world wide are tournament players. I go to World Cup every year as well as several other tournaments around the world and have yet to see more that a few hundred at one time. Most of the time they are the same people.

It is true that some folks become defensive over their chosen brand of marker. This doesn't matter if you are Pro-Mag, Pro-Angel, Pro-Cocker, etc. The perfect marker for anyone is the one that they feel most comfortable with regardless of brand. These arguments are generally pointless as no one can tell you what the best marker is if you've made up your mind. Humans generally do not like to put themselves in a state of Cognitive Dissonance. This is basically the state when you are forced to question those beliefs that you've convinced yourself of and are asked to re-evaluate them. Basically you are internally arguing with yourself.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by Havoc_online


lol,
1.how long after the Emag did AGD release the Xmag?
2. how many angels were released in 02'-03' ?

and AGD is STILL building newer upgrades and giving more options to the Emag owners so they always have the up to date custom marker they want without having to buy an all new marker.

As for the superbolt, it was a machining error that caused all the problems, an error which was taken care of for free to all the customers by AGD.

All the Speed is is an LED IR3, its not really that new.
I count two Angels in 02-03, the IR3 and the Speed.

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by WARPED1
I count two Angels in 02-03, the IR3 and the Speed.

exactly

[RRfireblade]

There's so much Crap flying around here,I'm afraid to open my mouth.

#1- If you think Highend Markers outsell Spyders and thier clones,you must be nuts.

#2- You CAN lower LPR pressure and only very slightly slow bolt speed down but greatly lessen the force of the bolt.It's called dwell adjustment.Just one of the perks of an electro.I believe max cps,I said CPS, for a typical Angel type mechanism,(IE. Angel,Impulse,Timmy,Bushmaster) is around 40,So 30 is very likely possible with a slightly slower bolt speed.

#3- Butters Emag was amazing,however I didn't see a crono in any of the videos(not like it would work anyway)but who knows if it had shoot down.It probably had quite a bit since he could hardly get enough air INTO the valve to simply cycle that fast.

#4- Mags Rock I have 2.(just had to put that in somewhere.

#5- Name 1 company still in business that doesn't bring out new product on any kind of a regular basis it's called profit and sales margins.

#6- AGD would never release a flawed product.
A- Superbolts
B- High rise powerfeeds
C- ULE (detent tolerance)
D- Mags don't chop but here's a L10 upgrade so it
doesn't chop even more.Oh and it's not free.
E- Emag software gliches.(still not addressed)

#7- AGD is probably this best at making upgrades that retrofit older markers.Smart parts isn't far behind.There isn't many new parts that won't fit all Impulses.And cocker for that matter.Oh, and most spyders and clones.And don't forget Tippy's.Oh well.

#8- The new speed looks awesome(IR3),seems to perfom close to or as advertised and is,brace yourselves,CHEAPER than an IR3.Not to shabby.

Well that's enough for now,I'm hungry.

Let the Flaming commence......

Jay.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
There's so much Crap flying around here,I'm afraid to open my mouth.

#1- If you think Highend Markers outsell Spyders and thier clones,you must be nuts.

#2- You CAN lower LPR pressure and only very slightly slow bolt speed down but greatly lessen the force of the bolt.It's called dwell adjustment.Just one of the perks of an electro.I believe max cps,I said CPS, for a typical Angel type mechanism,(IE. Angel,Impulse,Timmy,Bushmaster) is around 40,So 30 is very likely possible with a slightly slower bolt speed.

#3- Butters Emag was amazing,however I didn't see a crono in any of the videos(not like it would work anyway)but who knows if it had shoot down.It probably had quite a bit since he could hardly get enough air INTO the valve to simply cycle that fast.

#4- Mags Rock I have 2.(just had to put that in somewhere.

#5- Name 1 company still in business that doesn't bring out new product on any kind of a regular basis it's called profit and sales margins.

#6- AGD would never release a flawed product.
A- Superbolts
B- High rise powerfeeds
C- ULE (detent tolerance)
D- Mags don't chop but here's a L10 upgrade so it
doesn't chop even more.Oh and it's not free.
E- Emag software gliches.(still not addressed)

#7- AGD is probably this best at making upgrades that retrofit older markers.Smart parts isn't far behind.There isn't many new parts that won't fit all Impulses.And cocker for that matter.Oh, and most spyders and clones.And don't forget Tippy's.Oh well.

#8- The new speed looks awesome(IR3),seems to perfom close to or as advertised and is,brace yourselves,CHEAPER than an IR3.Not to shabby.

Well that's enough for now,I'm hungry.

Let the Flaming commence......

Jay.

ALL good points that I agree on!
If I get the money, I will opwn a Speed..........

[Jack & Coke]

Nice gun, great price...

However, too bad the guy in the video doesn't know jack about the laws of physics... what a big dummy!

From the FON video link posted above:

...you've got this whole new air chamber... you can add any size length volumizer out on the front to get the gun down as low as a Matrix... like a 150 psi for you who want those really flat shots...

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by Cliffio
wdp had one model in 2002 the ir3 and 3 models in 2003 ir3, lcd, speed


and the led was out for 2 years before the lcd, the lcd was out for 2 years until the ir3 and the ir3 was out for a year until the speed.


how about those timmys? how about those impulses? why only pick on wdp if you want to talk about models? bob longs website sells what, 4 or 5 timmys that are the same?

You are forgetting the impact, and some others. But I totally agree with you. I love these forums, but its pretty hard to show the mag users numbres that they will believe, being a micromag owner I dont diss mags. Honestly, I think havoc is pretty biased. If he had a IR3 or something, he would be humming a different tune. All I am saying is that you should at least try the product first eh?

[Phil]

There have been lots of crazy claims from marker companies, "Our marker shoots 9999 bps". I am not disputing any companies claims because I haven't personally tested to see if they are true. Personally I see it as irrelevant. I am resonably certain that any of the high end electro's will fire MUCH faster than any human can pull the trigger. I know it is true of my E-mag and my IR3. That is really all that matters is it not? Its kind of like a marketing arms race. The human race is doing incredible things with technology these days. I don't think its as a stretch that the speed can fire 30 bps.

I realize that you people love AGD and their markers. Its what brought us all here. They make arguably some of the most trouble free and easy to maintain markers available. WDP makes a great gun. Sure they are packed with useless features. (I am still trying to figure out what the hell all that crap is in my IR3) Sure they have marketing designed for their target market (teenagers). You have to give them some credit. They probably easily count for 30% of market share in the high end electro category. They have a smart marketing plan and make a quality product. They have products for sale (xmag??). I am still trying to understand AGD's marketing strategy or lack there of. I suspect that they don't have a marketing specialist on staff. I am completely amazed that they could think its a good idea to go into production with the X-Mag and not produce enough to meet current demand. Actually I can understand not meeting the demand. But not even producing enough to cover pre-orders much less produce enough for their retailers is just plain nutts.

I guess my point is that WDP and AGD make great products but neither company is perfect. I prefer my Angel over my mag. Its all about personal preference. Often times when people post about other companies here its game on! Let the "its not a mag" bashing begin and thats B.S. I think it detracts from this community.

phil

P.S. I got your back cliffy...