The new ANGEL SPEED (first hand)

[CRog075]

Originally posted by Havoc_online


"He also states he hates WDP"



CRog075 = SLOWboy


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Yes, you said that after you got flamed, so you dont look any more biased, smart ___. See, you try to act like you "own" me, but yet, you fail.

[Telefragged]

I haven't posted in a while, and really have no opinion one way or another about the guns being discussed here. Just look at what's been written so far, I mean, do you really think you can ever get anything settled by arguing over the internet with people you've never seen or met? Give me a break... people shoot what they like, leave them be...

[FooTemps]

Just quit arguing okay? Both of you think you're right and you'll never get anywhere with this argument... Just stop.

[Load SM5]

Crog and the rest of the guys flaming....Chill out. This was a nice information thread about the new angel but its degenerated fast into a flame fest. You guys have stated you opinions and Havoc has stated his. Let's keep the personal attacks out of it.

[Havoc_online]

Originally posted by CRog075



Yes, you said that after you got flamed, so you dont look any more biased, smart ___. See, you try to act like you "own" me, but yet, you fail.

wrong CHILD - you took it that way the first time I said I hated WDP. - your wrong.

EDIT for Load - I'm done, no more posting in here for me since it cant be kept civil.

[Miscue]

Getting back to the Angel Speed... got a chance to see them at Vegas NPPL.

Sexy!

I'd like to have one if I had money... maybe mount it on my wall.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

CRog075, what a fine place you've come to, in order to insult a "mag fanboy" I wonder what made you think there would be those type of people here?? Anyway, your obviously going to get more sympathy towards mags here, so think about it a litte. Duh.

Cyberious is right, the best gun in the world is the one you feel most comfortable with. I've shot a few types of Angels, and I really didn't care for them that much. Yeah, I could come out blasting words like, "I'll play you with an E-Mag without a battery, and you play me with an Angel without a battery and lets see who wins" But I wont, because that will start a whole new set of flames.

Lets face facts. The markup on paintball guns is huge. I don't know how huge, but after the machining equipment has been paid off, the only thing left to cover is the help, materials and building costs, and all those associated with that. It's not like they couldnt manufacture their guns cheaper. They choose not to. Thats why I won't buy an Angel. They cost too damn much! I'm not about to blow over $1000 on a paintball gun. Sure, I love the sport, and all that good stuff, but since I'm in college, I have very limited time to work, and I can only afford so much. I wonder how so many people can afford such nice guns??

oh, and CRog075, what a stupid thing to say about spyders and newbies. I use a little old RT, compared to... what ever you shoot, I must be a newbie. I don't like Spyders that much, in fact, I'd take a Piranha over just about any other gun besides a mag, but soooo many people use those type of guns. I know I wouldnt mind having one as a backup.

Alot of other guns are nice, I'd love to have a Matrix, or Intimidator, but I love what I have right now. I don't care if you talk *POOF* about mags, cuz most of the people who do at the fields I play at, end up getting shot out by me, or someone else.

Oh, I saw a guy 2 seasons ago playing with his Angel, and it chopped every ball that rolled into the feed tube. I don't know what that was, but ever since then, I've stayed away from them.

[AGD]

EVERYBODY CALM DOWN! Jeezzz, lets just have a discussion about the new gun ok? I want to know how the ACE works, is it reflective and where is it?

AGD

[Kaiser Bob]

From what I know of it, the ACE is like COPS on the IR3 in that it detects the ball by weight, however the Speed can detect the weight of the ball stack and adjust ROF setting to compensate for slow feeding or what have you.

[dansim]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
everything rips nowadays.

call me when you get a vid of it doing 30.

I'm curious, will it pinch paint?(they boasted about a lower bolt speed, etc. (yet they can shoot FASTER!?))

WDP's motto should be "Sell your old Angel, buy our new Angel". or "As if we didnt have the best marker(by far) in the world already - we figure out how to make it better every few months so keep sending us your money!!!"
maybe even "Believe what we tell you to believe, please?"

hmmm kinda like agd......companies need to make money man, its bussiness

[Doc Nickel]

Originally posted by AGD
EVERYBODY CALM DOWN! Jeezzz, lets just have a discussion about the new gun ok? I want to know how the ACE works, is it reflective and where is it?

AGD

It's not an "eye", per se, it's a piezo sensor.

There's a mounted crystal down in the top of the grip frame, and it has this plastic rod that extends up and very slightly into the breech of the gun. When the ball seats in the breech, it comes into contact with this rod, and the frequency at which the piezo crystal vibrates (something like 50K Hz) changes slightly, akin to putting a finger on the tine of a humming tuning fork, a value the controller detects and interprets as the presence of a ball.

It's quite clever, and avoids the whole problem of shell color when considering reflective-type IR eyes such as those used in the X 'Mags. It hasn't been without it's teething problems though, they're currently on the third revision of the software. They also had early learning problems, as the tip of the rod would get shaved off if an aftermarket bolt didn't have a small clearance groove.

Doc.

[JAM]

For what it's worth, i don't get it... why do people feel the need to crap on other guns? angels, timmies, cockers, impulses, etc etc. all good. an XMag is better in some ways than all of them, and they are better than an XMag in others, who cares? does it shoot? does it allow you to shoot as fast as you can move your fingers? do you like it? than more power to you and quit the whining. damn. Too early for all this.

[Cliffio]

jam, i know what your saying because i usually say it too, but unfortunatly that kinda of rational will only get brushed aside. because everyones gun is better for some reason, and people have to let it be known, but, thats how it goes i guess.

[Dubstar112]

Originally posted by Cliffio
jam, i know what your saying because i usually say it too, but unfortunatly that kinda of rational will only get brushed aside. because everyones gun is better for some reason, and people have to let it be known, but, thats how it goes i guess.

True true...

It is however really nice to see a new version of an Angel that has a price so that the people who really could use it to thier advantage, can have it.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Doc Nickel
It's not an "eye", per se, it's a piezo sensor.

There's a mounted crystal down in the top of the grip frame, and it has this plastic rod that extends up and very slightly into the breech of the gun. When the ball seats in the breech, it comes into contact with this rod, and the frequency at which the piezo crystal vibrates (something like 50K Hz) changes slightly, akin to putting a finger on the tine of a humming tuning fork, a value the controller detects and interprets as the presence of a ball.

It's quite clever, and avoids the whole problem of shell color when considering reflective-type IR eyes such as those used in the X 'Mags. It hasn't been without it's teething problems though, they're currently on the third revision of the software. They also had early learning problems, as the tip of the rod would get shaved off if an aftermarket bolt didn't have a small clearance groove.
Doc.

Very cool. So is the clearance issue taken care of or do aftermarket bolts have to milled slightly? Also is there a sensitivity adjustment on the sensor? If there's a breech break and shell gets on the rod will it distinguish it as false reading or call it a ball in the breech?