For Those Who Couldn't Wait.....(x-mag)

[dansim]

Originally posted by 56kSomeGuy



Well you got to spend some money to make money... Also I did get tired of waiting buy still settled for the second best thing at the time which was a micro-e which I still have.

thats just retarded, come into a real market place and price the machines that youd need to make these damn curves and cuts and what not and your looking into probally half a mil or more for quality machines that can turn out faster production, perhaps if you ever own a company youll see how much it really costs

[Tron]

Bought an RT Pro and had problems with cosmetics from the beginning and no help. Still thought I would stick it out with AGD when I heard about the XMag. Saw the posts on the waiting list gave it time here it is May and I bought a Dragon timmy. Love the gun and am very happy. I would of gotten an Xmag but I can't wait 6-7 months with $1,400 gone and nothing to show for it.

-Tron

[Tron]

lol now that I think about it I guess I should of waited I could of put the Xmag money in the bank in a savings account. I could of bought a case of paint and a day of play with the interest on the money when I finally got it.

-Tron

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by dansim


thats just retarded, come into a real market place and price the machines that youd need to make these damn curves and cuts and what not and your looking into probally half a mil or more for quality machines that can turn out faster production, perhaps if you ever own a company youll see how much it really costs

$40,000 for a CNC machine, but they could make back the investment in no time.

[56kSomeGuy]

Originally posted by dansim


thats just retarded, come into a real market place and price the machines that youd need to make these damn curves and cuts and what not and your looking into probally half a mil or more for quality machines that can turn out faster production, perhaps if you ever own a company youll see how much it really costs

I posted that before tom posted his reasons which made me take back what I said but still maybe AGD could do some more in ads and such...

[krafty]

Originally posted by WARPED1

$40,000 for a CNC machine, but they could make back the investment in no time.

The machine that makes an AGD valve is over a quarter million dollars. I would hazard a guess and say the machines doing the bodies are a bit more.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well..let me see what I've had since I've been waiting on an X...

eMag, MAmba IR3, 2 Timmy's, Outkast Cocker, 2k3 LE LCD Angel, X-Valved ULE Mag and probably a few more I can't remember..

If anyone knows a shop with a blue or blue/black fade X mag..I've got $1400+ in the bank waiting for you..

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by krafty


The machine that makes an AGD valve is over a quarter million dollars. I would hazard a guess and say the machines doing the bodies are a bit more.

Xmags are done on a CNC mill, which cost around $40K.

[dansim]

uh huh and how fast is the cnc machine that makes the xmag, how many could you mak in a 8 hour day? how many machines to make the bodys, how many for breeches, how many for ules, how many for y grips/frames, how many machines to buil all the extra room they would need to add on to teh building?

[WARPED1]

AS I already said somewhere, AGD has to spend money to make money. Get more space, machines, staff.
No idea how long they take, can't be too long. My friend used to work on a CNC macine making the metal plates for Crane(who makes our paper for money) grinding machines.
He knocked out quite a few in his 8 hour day.

[dansim]

well i remember reading somewhere it takes over 1200 passes with acnc machine to make a cnc xmag, and toms stated they dont make enough to live off of on the xmag so obviously its not that great of an investement

[MantisMag]

spending money to make money does not work if you don't make that money back in a reasonable amount of time. driving yourself into debt, attempting to improve your company and then taking 10 years to make back the money you spent while technology is progressing and making what you spent your money on obsolete, is not good business sense and is an incredibly long run-on sentence.

[freek133]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
and probably a few more I can't remember..

Didnt you have a matrix for just a little while?

[FalconGuy016]

I believe the xmag could be on the angel level in sales because of its supreme goodness. But ONLY IF there are plenty to go around. There are MANY non-Agd supporting people who would buy the xmag, but not for a wait like now. $1400 times... how many? 100 so far? $1400 x 100 = $140,000. Lets take away $120,000 for expenses to be generous, and you have a $20,000 on 100 guns. Now, if AGD invested in some new machines, people, space, and cranked xmags out at a faster pace, imagine those numbers rise. Imagine thousands of xmags being sold because you can buy them at any pro shop or online store, like an angel. Now, more money for AGD, and more xmags for everyone

[Miscue]

Imagine all the people... living for today...



Not that simple...