For Those Who Couldn't Wait.....(x-mag)

[AlabamaMan]

imagine

congratz falconguy on more than a 2 word reply

imagine what tom said.... X-mag bodies are made in europe. Sorry to say but 20 grand wouldn't be close to enough to set up a shop to make them in the US.

Behold the power or reading.

[FooTemps]

Imagine AGD spending upwards for 1.5 million for those facilities to increase production. I mean, one machine tooled for valve, one tooled for gripframe, one tooled for body, one tooled for breeches, one tooled for cnc battery packs. Then there's larger facilities. And since there are more machines, there has to be a bigger staff. And since they got larger facilities, there are moving costs. Then they have to start everything back up. Then they have to pay for all the extra resouces they are using... Now, is AGD going to make that much money back with xmag sales? NO

[Tron]

Re: imagine

Originally posted by AlabamaMan
imagine what tom said.... X-mag bodies are made in europe. Sorry to say but 20 grand wouldn't be close to enough to set up a shop to make them in the US.

Behold the power or reading.

They would be able to if AGDE didn't own the design. Imagine all the crap they have to go through just to get the bodies from Europe.

-Tron

[AlabamaMan]

Originally posted by Tron


They would be able to if AGDE didn't own the design. Imagine all the crap they have to go through just to get the bodies from Europe.

-Tron

So the fact that another company owns the design changes the cost of setting up a shop to make them?

No.

[Tron]

Originally posted by AlabamaMan


So the fact that another company owns the design changes the cost of setting up a shop to make them?

No.

Actually ya... Even if it cost them $1 to make the bodies I doubt they could with another company owning the design. If they didn't I think tom might take the hit and make them here in the US with a third party like almost everything they do.

-Tron

[AlabamaMan]

Sure if the tooling was implemented to make the bodies over here, it would be cheaper to produce them here.
How much money would it take to buy the rites to machine the body? If that is even an issue. Add that to actully getting them made... how much would that cost?

What i'm saying is that initial costs for those type of things are crazy. Tom said they are having 500 or so body's made. Is it worth it for AGD to move production over here?

If they sell 1000 X-mags Probably not.
If they sell 2000 X-mags Maybe.

[Gadget]

I doubt if many people on AO aside from Manike and possibly Tom know exactly how much the machine that makes the X-Mag body costs.

Saying 'oh a CNC mill only costs $40k' is like saying that a car only costs x-amount. Yes _some_ machines may cost $40k, but the ones needed to do the X-Mag bodies may cost considerably more.

The whole "well if I can't have an X-Mag NOW {petulant stamping of feet} I'll go and buy a marker made by someone else and NEVER EVER buy another AGD product ever, SO THERE! {pouting lower lip}" posturing is just a teensie bit pathetic. But for those who enjoy sounding like sulky school children, by all means continue.

[cdawg]

In response to everyone who is saying they have board problems or other issues with their Angels... get a $50 warranty from TAG and it's STILL cheaper than an Xmag.

[Surreal]

well, lets say it DOES in fact cost 40 grand for the machine. at 1,200+ bucks a pop, they would have to sell 34 xmags to fully recover the cost of the machine alone. if the machine was 50k, they would have to sell 41 xmags. 60k, 50 xmags..

how long is the waiting list for xmags already? at least a hundred? if people could buy them on demand, i know for sure that many more people would buy them rather than signing up for a 6 month waiting list..

hell, the Xmag is the only mag i've ever desired, and if i didnt have to wait 6 months for one, i would definitely want that over the angel speed, 2k3 shocker and nerve. but we cant all have what we want.

AGD could make some serious bank if they did their own milling. no duh it would cost alot at first, as does ANYTHING. over a long period of time, AGD would so easily make that money back, and bank much more. not only would they be able to make xmags in house, they would be able to make emags, mini's, retro's, ect. And since AGD is all for the customer () it would most likely bring down the price of mags even further over a longer period of time. you're thinking of the future, right?

[Russ]

All this talk of machinery...

Don't you guys get it? AGD is not a machine shop. They do not manufacture the products they sell.

Creating an entire machine shop, with all the personel, machines, inspection facilities...gimme a break!

Again, AGD is not in the machining buisness!

[MantisMag]

this is getting stupid. i'm not posting on any of these threads again about costs of production. people don't want to listen and just want to simplify until it gets to the point where they see what they want to. when will you people understand!? it's not just the cost of purchasing the machines. it's also the cost of running them, the cost of materials, the cost of labor, the cost of maintenance, the cost of space to house them, the cost of moving the product to the warehouse from manufacturing... add up ALL of these then MAYBE we can talk about how much money they could make and how much they're risking.

[manike]

Originally posted by MantisMag
this is getting stupid. i'm not posting on any of these threads again about costs of production. people don't want to listen and just want to simplify until it gets to the point where they see what they want to. when will you people understand!? it's not just the cost of purchasing the machines. it's also the cost of running them, the cost of materials, the cost of labor, the cost of maintenance, the cost of space to house them, the cost of moving the product to the warehouse from manufacturing... add up ALL of these then MAYBE we can talk about how much money they could make and how much they're risking.

Agreed. But when it comes to products like this you also have to factor in R&D and prototyping.

Not to mention tooling, fixtures and power...

[DiRTyBuNNy]

not to mention all the secret tools that Q makes for 007...Manike...Manike Bond...

[Major Ho]

YOUR 100% correct! I COULDNT wait for an Xmag. I DIDNT feel like spending ~$1500. So you know what. I bought...scratch that, BUILT a friggin Emag. Ive been told by a couple of Xmag owners that they dont even turn on their ACE. You want cocker threads?! Get a slug/ULE body...OOOOOH! HARRRRRD?! The "regular" Emag is the lil brother/sister to the Xmag. Performance is the same. How can so many people be so tunnel visioned to not see that?

[AlabamaMan]

Because the X-mag looks cool. All the little kids want cool, but all the little kids don't know how to wait.