anyone ever get kicked off a field too?

[shartley]

Originally posted by gam-e


We execute more people anually than any other state.

Cool, we disagree, I still respect you, and i believe your smarter than I am. I am still a youngin.

Southern states are different than Northern states, i believe because of the Southern values difference. Whereas one state may see something like this as horrendous and unjustifiable, one will see it as horrendous and justified.

I am not advocating violence; I am advocating self-defense, and whenever a situation that places someones life is in danger is present, the need to take corrective measures to ensure their saftey is imperative.

Thanks for replying to my thread in a couteous manner
Dion

[FatMan]

Originally posted by shartley

Uh, dude, Oklahoma ain't no Southern State.

And in general I refuse to believe you ain't a yankee!



FatMan

[shartley]

Originally posted by FatMan


Uh, dude, Oklahoma ain't no Southern State.

And in general I refuse to believe you ain't a yankee!



FatMan

LOL How about Louisiana? I spend some time there too. (I lived right on the Texas border when in OK though.)

And that is Damn Yankee!

Seriously though, I do prefer the south. Attitudes in general are much different. I also find the south a much more friendly place than the north (in general). It was one of the things I really noticed moving back up here.

[hitech]

Originally posted by shartley
I do prefer the south.

If you could just get people to stop smoking inside public places it would be much nicer (lived near Charleston, SC for a while). And no beer on Sundays, what's up with that!

[shartley]

Originally posted by hitech
If you could just get people to stop smoking inside public places it would be much nicer (lived near Charleston, SC for a while). And no beer on Sundays, what's up with that!

(Think we have successfully hijacked this thread? GOD I HOPE SO! )

[hitech]

Originally posted by shartley

That would have been taking it too far. I wouldn't have moved there!

Originally posted by shartley
(Think we have successfully hijacked this thread? GOD I HOPE SO! )

I couldn't agree with you more! It was a New Orleans Police Officer (rest his soul) that introduced me to crawdads. Beer I already had figured out.

[Albinonewt]

Bottom line Shart, you are obviously willing to take a lot more risks with your life then I am mine. When someone puts me in a life threatening situation they can expect to come out of it in a wooden box. I do not tolerate that even in the slighest. I'd rather have to explain to a judge and jury why I felt threatened then a priest explan to wife "God's Will" and all that.

As for your past experience. Nearly every post you've written is littered with references to it. Not that there's any reason not to mention it, but you're sole basis for argueing is "I know the law because I enforced it". Your knowledge of the law is clearly suspect, and I find it curious that you don't consider the afore mentioned situation to be of an elevated threat to life and limb. That's very curious to me.

As for the person that mentioned no judge had posted. Branmann had mentioned that he spoke to judges about this very issue. I have no reason to think he's lying so I was referring to his post. Now, obviously there are plenty of opinions from a lot of different people, but, if those judges can see the possibilty for a successful defense then it is hardly out of the question to concede that it is possible (although certainly not guaranteed).

Frankly Shart, with every passing comment you make I begin to wonder exactly how well you know what you're talking about. You're stretched logic gets so weak at points I have trouble taking it seriosuly (If overshooting isn't life threatening then putting a barrel to the throat isn't, etc.)

Fact of the matter is this. A paintball gun to the throat is very very dangereous. There is almost certainly a chance (albiet probably a low one) of being killed in such a manner. As such a person could reasonably feel his life was threatened. And because a person could reasonably deduce that his life was threatened he is protected, under the law, to employ force. Is the defense perfect? No, of course not. But does it work? Yes, it certainly does. There is always the chance that it won't and you'll end up in jail, but I'd rather take 50% chance of being imprisoned then a 1% chance of being dead.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

I think the original argument still stands that if he wouldn't have over reacted, flipped out, and started cursing him out, the guy wouldn't have done anything "Life Threatening" in the first place.

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by hitech
Okay, this is probably going to come off as a flame, oh well.

We can argue semantics all day long, however, none of you REALLY believe that you could get away with shooting someone with a firearm because ON A PAINTBALL FIELD someone placed a PAINTBALL GUN BARREL to your neck.

If you really are trying to claim you do you are either lying, crazy or just plain stupid.

Unless the law has changed in Texas I beleive it stood that deadly force was justifiable to prevent a felony - assault and battery (for those of you who this confuses - it did me, assault is the threat of physical force, battery is the use of force). I do know this in Michigan, if someone attacks me with his fists and is just trying to hurt, not kill me and I (assuming I am able to physically compete with them) respond with deadly force (ie pull a gun - try to kill with my hands) that person than has the right to readjust his level of force to deadly in defense, even though he started it. That is screwy as hell, but tells you, if you pull a gun you better be ready to use it.
Anyways, just my rambling thoughts, comments, etc.

[Recon by Fire]

That does it. All of you, to your rooms! And no dinner for you either!

[gam-e]

i personally prefer this thread more when we talk about crawdads and beer.

im sad that we didn't hear about some dat coonass gumbo. THATS some goot eats.

far as i know here, you cant sell beer on sundays until 12:00 noon. hehehe, take that.

Sorry Shartley, OK is no southern state. Louisianna is. I find my home in Mississippi and Alabama though. Nothin clears my mind like some good ole red dirt.

Lets keep this thread light-hearted now and talk about good food and beer, and as long as we are talkin about the South, lets talk about some of Grandaddy's WHITE LIGHTNIN.

WOOT!
Dion

[shartley]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Bottom line Shart, you are obviously willing to take a lot more risks with your life then I am mine. When someone puts me in a life threatening situation they can expect to come out of it in a wooden box. I do not tolerate that even in the slighest. I'd rather have to explain to a judge and jury why I felt threatened then a priest explan to wife "God's Will" and all that.

As for your past experience. Nearly every post you've written is littered with references to it. Not that there's any reason not to mention it, but you're sole basis for argueing is "I know the law because I enforced it". Your knowledge of the law is clearly suspect, and I find it curious that you don't consider the afore mentioned situation to be of an elevated threat to life and limb. That's very curious to me.

As for the person that mentioned no judge had posted. Branmann had mentioned that he spoke to judges about this very issue. I have no reason to think he's lying so I was referring to his post. Now, obviously there are plenty of opinions from a lot of different people, but, if those judges can see the possibilty for a successful defense then it is hardly out of the question to concede that it is possible (although certainly not guaranteed).

Frankly Shart, with every passing comment you make I begin to wonder exactly how well you know what you're talking about. You're stretched logic gets so weak at points I have trouble taking it seriosuly (If overshooting isn't life threatening then putting a barrel to the throat isn't, etc.)

Fact of the matter is this. A paintball gun to the throat is very very dangereous. There is almost certainly a chance (albiet probably a low one) of being killed in such a manner. As such a person could reasonably feel his life was threatened. And because a person could reasonably deduce that his life was threatened he is protected, under the law, to employ force. Is the defense perfect? No, of course not. But does it work? Yes, it certainly does. There is always the chance that it won't and you'll end up in jail, but I'd rather take 50% chance of being imprisoned then a 1% chance of being dead.

Originally posted by gam-e
i personally prefer this thread more when we talk about crawdads and beer.

im sad that we didn't hear about some dat coonass gumbo. THATS some goot eats.

far as i know here, you cant sell beer on sundays until 12:00 noon. hehehe, take that.

Sorry Shartley, OK is no southern state. Louisianna is. I find my home in Mississippi and Alabama though. Nothin clears my mind like some good ole red dirt.

Lets keep this thread light-hearted now and talk about good food and beer, and as long as we are talkin about the South, lets talk about some of Grandaddy's WHITE LIGHTNIN.

WOOT!
Dion

[FatMan]

Southern

Originally posted by shartley

OK is western (or southwestern) state. It may have the same kind of dirt as Alabama (how much dirt DID you eat in Alabama?) but its culture is notwhere near the same. It takes more than a few years to understand - REALLY understand - southern culture. Louisiana and Georgia are VERY different, but they both have a very strong common underlying southern culture. Its a southern thing, you wouldn't understand.

Just for reference, I grew up in Louisiana, and I've lived in S. Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. And I've known people from a lot more places than that. Just for reference.

As for Texas ... its kind of Hybrid. Its so darn big parts of it are Mexican, parts are Southwestern, and yes, parts are southern. And the regions aren't contiguous. Houston and Dallas are southern, Austin isn't.

And Shart, don't mention Alabama ... it makes you look inbred!



FatMan

[branman444]

I couldnt agree more... Ok is suthern state i live about 30 min from the ok tx border and have 20 achers of nice red dirt if some of you dont believe that we have it. the south shall rise again hehehe.
I also want to clear something up I stated that i would be protected by law to brandish my weapon. I didnt say i would have shot the guy. Never ever did i say i would shoot him. Just said i could. I value life more than that. What i was getting at is that what he did(push him down and his friend fire a couple into him) wasnt that bad concedering i couldhave shot the guy. I think people that dont take guns well pintball guns in this case, serious need to have some smarts beat into them. Think about it if he dont have any more respect than that for a paintball gun what would have happened if he had access to a real gun. I dont know i still think i would have beat the crap out of him for that weathor i go to go back to the feild again or not. I have enough land and friends to play with.

[shartley]

Re: Southern

Originally posted by FatMan


OK is western (or southwestern) state. It may have the same kind of dirt as Alabama (how much dirt DID you eat in Alabama?) but its culture is notwhere near the same. It takes more than a few years to understand - REALLY understand - southern culture. Louisiana and Georgia are VERY different, but they both have a very strong common underlying southern culture. Its a southern thing, you wouldn't understand.

Just for reference, I grew up in Louisiana, and I've lived in S. Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. And I've known people from a lot more places than that. Just for reference.

As for Texas ... its kind of Hybrid. Its so darn big parts of it are Mexican, parts are Southwestern, and yes, parts are southern. And the regions aren't contiguous. Houston and Dallas are southern, Austin isn't.

And Shart, don't mention Alabama ... it makes you look inbred!



FatMan