anyone ever get kicked off a field too?

[shartley]

Re: Re: Well, I may be one of the ones who bashed you...

Originally posted by raehl
He's not justified by any "self-defense" excuse.

Self-defense requires that you avoid a hostile situation. Since he's escalating the situation, he's got no defense. The other guy could just as easily argue that he put his barrel in his neck because he felt threatened by the guy approaching him.

- Chris

Originally posted by TheBigRaguPB4L
side note: Sam: stop being so logical. I've always wanted to disagree with you just one time. We always seem to have the same opinion on just about everything. Stop it.:)

Sorry.

Originally posted by AngelBoy
Glad you werent trying to bash him and all, but Im not sure what that last line is if its not a sarcastic bashing phrase for you to get the last word in.

People screw up, move on.

Originally posted by Shift
Dude, you should probably read the posts i wrote earlier, and just calm down. Put things in perspective a little man.

God bless America

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
ok I dont know you. And frankly, Im glad I dont know you because you sound like a prick. You sound like some stupid field owner that cares too much about your personal image. I will let YOU be the one that takes a shot to the throat someday. Were you the kid that got picked on in school? LOL Did the bigger kids beat you up and take your lunch money?

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
All im saying is you seem to have hatred towards us "punks". Hey buddy guess what. If it wasnt for us "punks", this sport would be broke and not near as big as it is. Like it or not most paintball players are within the ages of 15 and 25. The numbers may even be lower than that. A big majority of them would have reacted the same way as me.

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
I have a challenge for you. Go to your local tournement. Stand on the side with a gun and play Mr. Referee. When you see someone that deserves to be out. Dont bother telling the ref. Just shoot them. Do that 10 times and come back and tell me how many of those "punks" cussed at you.

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
What im saying is. I reacted the way a lot of people my age in the sport would. I cussed a guy out then defended myself when a barrel was shoved in my neck. PERIOD

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
So before you go calling me a punk. Go check some stats and see exactly how many of us "punks" fund your precious field or whatever the hell you work for.

[cockermongol]

Re: anyone ever get kicked off a field too?

OK I'm gonna try something that may help everyone visualize what I see when I hear a paintball gun is being used as a weapon, so in every instance where it was used as a weapon, I will replace it with another weapon. I was going to use an actual gun for this example, but I don't want to flame up the whole "firearm" argument again.

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz:

In our next move, a bunker move, my buddy layed cover and I ran up the tape to bunker a couple kids. Successfully. It was a beautiful move and sealed the game for us. All of a sudden I got shot in the back. Im like WTF. I look behind me and it was one of the dead players. He said when I made the bunker move I frickin stepped out of bounds. So he decided to, instead of telling the ref, shoot me himself. Of course that made me mad and I automatically tore into him with some harsh words. We had words and I walked off the field and this guy actually stuck his gun barrel in my neck and said if you touch me ill shoot (wtf?) So I dropped my trusty, not gunna break, Retro mag on the ground and knocked the kid on his ***. He then proceeded to shoot me 6 or 7 times in the chest. My friend then lit him up not stopping for about 8-10 seconds. Ya all that happened in under a minute. By that time the refs got there and seperated us.

Story with replacements:

In our next move, a bunker move, my buddy layed cover and I ran up the tape to bunker a couple kids. Successfully. It was a beautiful move and sealed the game for us. All of a sudden I got shot in the back. Im like WTF. I look behind me and it was one of the dead players. He said when I made the bunker move I frickin stepped out of bounds. So he decided to, instead of telling the ref, shoot me himself. Of course that made me mad and I automatically tore into him with some harsh words. We had words and I walked off the field and this guy actually put a knife in my neck and said if you touch me ill slit your throat. So I dropped my trusty, not gunna break, Retro mag on the ground and knocked the kid on his ***. He then proceeded to stab me 6 or 7 times in the chest. My friend then stabbed him, not stopping for about 8-10 seconds. Ya all that happened in under a minute. By that time the refs got there and seperated us.

From THIS rendission of the story, who pulled the kinfe? Who was the first one to escalate it to force? Whatever wicked did before this part of the story is IRRELEVANT as it DID NOT include physical contact. I've seen people get in each other's faces before, but never seen someone pull a weapon on the other person. If this kid feared serious bodily harm from wicked (which as doubt, as it was already stated he was showboating for his girlfriend) then the last thing he should've done was introduce a weapon to the situation. Wicked's friend should be in jail right now. Read the second one and you'll know what I mean.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

And that situation still wouldn't have happened if he would have just not flipped out and started cursing at him. Still wrong.

[am68leb]

i would have to believe from the story, you were both in the wrong, but judging from your sig, i'm not inclined to believe in any way shape or form. sorry.

[shartley]

[cockermongol]

Did wicked SAY he threatened him? I never heard anything of the sort. When I read that story I see a kid who wants to look good in front of his girlfriend by acting manly and tough and putting his paintball gun in wicked's throat. If I were wicked i would've beat the crap outta him, and then pressed charges.

[shartley]

Originally posted by cockermongol
Did wicked SAY he threatened him? I never heard anything of the sort. When I read that story I see a kid who wants to look good in front of his girlfriend by acting manly and tough and putting his paintball gun in wicked's throat. If I were wicked i would've beat the crap outta him, and then pressed charges.

[FatMan]

Why is violence the answer?

Guys, why are you arguing about shades of grey? Shartley is right about this (geez, that's weird! ). From a legal perspective, it wouldn't matter who pulled what first, or who struck who first, once you get into an altercation and both sides are contributing, you're in it and you're responsible for your actions. Anything else is just making excuses for losing control, and really it's better to just own up to it. As I said earlier in this thread, its not unusual, many of you are younger, and have been raised in an environment where people who use violence to solve problems are held up as heros. But one thing paintball should teach you, is you don't want to be involved in REAL violence.

I'm not sure where Wicked is from, Shartley is from NH. But in SC, you get in the wrong guy's face, he might not pull a knife, he might pull a gun. And you don't have to be a bad-*** to use one of those. Skinny little wimpy guys can blow you away just as easily as anyone else. So think about all the paint you've taken on the field ... would you really want to get messed up with that?

But hey, there ARE times when you have to be prepared to hold your ground, to fight for something. And when that time comes, you have to be ready to do it - and you have to be ready to take the consequences. Was that jerk who tagged Wicked in the back worth the trouble? I don't think so. For a moment there Wicked had the higher ground. But as soon as he opened his mouth, and stormed over there and pushed and shoved, he was no better than the other guy. No worse, to be sure - at least he STARTED out with right on his side. But he didn't end up that way.

Personally, I'd have laughed at the guy. I might have even shook his hand and told him I didn't know I was out, and complement his creative reffing. If the ref's didn't deal with him, I'd have made a point to return the favor - in a friendly way, I mean its all in fun, just a nudge to say "hey you're out."

Why is that so hard? Why do you all want to focus on yelling and hitting as the best way to deal with it?

FatMan

[cockermongol]

Originally posted by shartley

He was showing off in front of his girlfriend. That kid wasn't afraid of physical harm, he clearly just wanted wicked to shut the F up. He pulled a weapon not in desparation, but in an attempt to show that he's the bigger man - the bully... and when wicked shoved the barrel away FROM HIS THROAT he was responding in a way that allowed him to escape physical harm. THEN the guy SHOOTS HIM ANYWAYS. While what his friend did was a bit overkill, it stopped the situation.

[shartley]

Originally posted by cockermongol

He was showing off in front of his girlfriend. That kid wasn't afraid of physical harm, he clearly just wanted wicked to shut the F up. He pulled a weapon not in desparation, but in an attempt to show that he's the bigger man - the bully... and when wicked shoved the barrel away FROM HIS THROAT he was responding in a way that allowed him to escape physical harm. THEN the guy SHOOTS HIM ANYWAYS. While what his friend did was a bit overkill, it stopped the situation.

[Shift]

hrmm

Damn good points about the weapons, and the actuall confrontation. People are allowed to yell at each other as much as they want. Physical conflict did not occour until a WEAPON was used to threaten wicks physical well being.(although it could be argued that it occoured when he first fired the shot at the dudes back in the first place).

In a court of law, Wick would win twice.

You guys are nonsensical. I think i just made up a word.


my name is chris

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by shartley

And actually, nowhere in all the times here in this thread where it was posted that some threat was made, has he ONCE stepped up and said he did not make any physical threats against the kid. Nor has he stepped up and said he didn’t even use body language and invading personal space to threaten the kid.

ladies and gentlemen, exibit A...

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz

...So then I was pissed and in all the arguing, im sure I was cussing a lot and im sure I was yelling. But at no time did I threaten to hit him or anything like that. But ya I called him about every name that came to mind...

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Re: Why is violence the answer?

Originally posted by FatMan

I'm not sure where Wicked is from, Shartley is from NH. But in SC, you get in the wrong guy's face, he might not pull a knife, he might pull a gun. And you don't have to be a bad-*** to use one of those. Skinny little wimpy guys can blow you away just as easily as anyone else. So think about all the paint you've taken on the field ... would you really want to get messed up with that?

Ya I live in California. People around here have guns and nonsense like that as well. Ill be honest sometimes when Im out I have a gun in my truck. Lots of people I know carry guns for protection. I can see where your comming from exactly though. I could piss off the wrong guy. I was on a paintball field though. I dont know too many guys who paintball strapped.

I would consider myself pretty street smart because I know when to keep my mouth shut and not to challenge the wrong group of people. I probably do get in more fights than an average 17 year old but I know where to draw the line.

You have to understand though. I didnt get in his face looking to fight. I didnt even get in his face looking for a shoving match. I was just venting the frustration I had. HE was the one who stood up and brought the situation to the next level.

[robertjuric]

I want to get bashed to

If that were me, Id prob do the same thing. Not b/c I am a violent person, but if somebody shot me in the back who was already out, that would have made me mad, but then he threatens me? Thats about all I could I take. You cant go around just taking stuff from everyone. I know it may be immature, but thats the way teenagers work. I couldnt control my anger that good, but if I was older, as most of the people on these boards are, for one, I dont think the kid would have threatened an adult, and 2 I would hopefully be more mature by then.
Or I might would have waited till the parking lot or something, but either way, he woulda gotten his.

[Benfica4ever]

Good job dude, i would have probably done the same thing, he was just pissed u shoot his ***