anyone ever get kicked off a field too?

[WicKeD_WaYz]

why did my friend tear into the guy?

my friends have my back and I have theirs. Whether it be on a paintball field or an abandonned parking lot. If **** goes down I have the comfort of knowing my friends will be there with me.

You guys are telling me that if your friend was unarmed and getting shot repetatively by some punk you would stand there with a dumb look on your face, holding your own marker and do nothing?

[gam-e]

the shove is just cool IMO, a parking lot fight is not. i would not be satisfied with the shove, and i would find a way to meet this guy off the property.

cool, your friend helped you out, half a hopper wasn't needed. ive got friends, they would help me, they dont fight for me. ive also had some friends who used to fight with me in unfair numbers...thats just wrong, and im not that person anymore. i was a punk with a bad attittude. Im 17 too, and i don't take mess from people, thats just how i grew up, someone tells me to STFU, they better be able to make me. It may sound stupid, and it is, but I have lost my share of fights because a grown man (usually 19-25) has stepped up to the plate. I don't start mess, I finish mess, and usually if my friends are getting heat, im the one who ends up fighting because i step up for them. The new crowd of people i hang out with is usually passive.

i think another important aspect of this, was how old was this kid (4 pages is a lot to read)?

Dion

[RTsparky]

Originally posted by Brak
dont listen to these "mature" people. they just call themselves mature when the real thing is that they dont GOT NO BALLS!! SUCKAS!!!

Rock on Brak, and all u supposedly "mature" people out there, i highly doubt any of you wouldnt have done something to get a F****** loaded paintgun barrel from ur neck. i dont think id call that maturity, more like stupidity for letting a person with the balls to friggin put the barrel to ur neck in the first place, to keep it there. so i would have reacted the same as wicked ways if not worse. and screw the morons for kickin u out when he started it. u were just defending urself.

[jdev]

call it a longshot here...

but i dont think ANY of you here could say that you would have not reacted in such a manner had you had a marker barrel put to your neck, REGARDLESS OF THE REASON.

if something like this is done, it is immediately precieved and processed as a threat. there is no other way about it. they are not placing that barrel to your neck to tell you how cold it is... plain and simple.

nobody here could say, that if we (you and me) were in a game together, had a heated "debate"/"exchange of choice words" and I came up to you and put a barrel to your neck, AND THREATENED TO SHOOT YOU.. (regardless of what you said to me before) would you not try to defend yourself by AT LEAST pushing me away.

It is every humans animalistic instinct to try and fight back. its exactly what scared animals in the wild do when cornered, they attack because they have no other defense, such is the same for you.

sure, at the time of things, you MAY think hey, lets try and talk this out.. but there will be the thought train of..

ok, this person has a live marker against my neck. he could pull his trigger (intentionally or not, in a volitile situation, this person could be shaking from being nervous and accidentally pull the trigger on their marker) and shoot me in the face, causing me posible loss of sight. he could also pull his trigger and hit me right in the windpipe/adams apple, causing me almost instant death...

you think of that, and you react. and let me tell you... when my safety and well being is in risk of being compromised, I do what i can, kicking and screaming to preserve my safety and well being.. and if it means desimating the person with the marker to my neck.. so be it.

i think many of you would react the same way if put in the same situation. (not the priors to the marker in the neck.. having the acutual marker in your neck. agian there are some of you that would have resolved the situation before it got that far... but im saying, had it not been resolved, and you had a marker to your neck)

so again, as i said in a previous post.. sure, this could have been sorted out other ways, but it wasnt.

wicked did what im sure he thought was in his best interest to protect himself from any type of un-necessary injury..


.joe.

[raehl]

Nothing like a buncha twits arguing "the law".

First, I've come to the conclusion that not only are a good deal of the people posting in this thread justifiably labelled immature, they're justifiably labelled downright stupid as well.

You know what I do when people try to start stuff with me at the field? The same thing I've done as a result of years of participation in sports: I ignore them; totally block them out, because that's what players who are *GOOD* will do. Anything else is detracting from the game. And, frankly, because I have nothing to prove to an immature, insecure 17 year old.

And anyone who takes it upon themselves to physically attack me with their paintball marker or otherwise is going to find themselves sitting in a jail cell or at the receiving end of a nasty civil lawsuit. What the poster's friend did (shooting a player for 7-10 seconds) could be prosecuted as felony assault with a deadly weapon. Once you take athletic equipment and use it outside the context of the game, or even outside the regular mechanics of the game in the game, to cause physical harm, that's assault. And yes, paintball markers can be considered deadly weapons. Think about the possibility of spending the next few years behind bars next time you're thinking about making an *** of yourself. And don't think I'm making it up - I got a call from a public defender just last week asking for help defending a guy facing assault with a deadly weapon charges for misusing a paintball marker. (My response, of course, was that her client deserved whatever he was going to get.)


If I were a field owner, none of you would ever be at my field again. I wouldn't need my paying customers dealing with twits. You may think you've proven that you have "big balls", but all you've really demonstrated is that you havn't a clue. Customers seeing other customers fight each other. Yeah, that's good for business.


Congratulations in starting a "Hey everyone, look how much of a twit I am" thread.


- Chris

[shartley]

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
why did my friend tear into the guy?

my friends have my back and I have theirs. Whether it be on a paintball field or an abandonned parking lot. If **** goes down I have the comfort of knowing my friends will be there with me.

You guys are telling me that if your friend was unarmed and getting shot repetatively by some punk you would stand there with a dumb look on your face, holding your own marker and do nothing?

Originally posted by joey d
call it a longshot here...

but i dont think ANY of you here could say that you would have not reacted in such a manner had you had a marker barrel put to your neck, REGARDLESS OF THE REASON.

if something like this is done, it is immediately precieved and processed as a threat. there is no other way about it. they are not placing that barrel to your neck to tell you how cold it is... plain and simple.

nobody here could say, that if we (you and me) were in a game together, had a heated "debate"/"exchange of choice words" and I came up to you and put a barrel to your neck, AND THREATENED TO SHOOT YOU.. (regardless of what you said to me before) would you not try to defend yourself by AT LEAST pushing me away.

It is every humans animalistic instinct to try and fight back. its exactly what scared animals in the wild do when cornered, they attack because they have no other defense, such is the same for you.

sure, at the time of things, you MAY think hey, lets try and talk this out.. but there will be the thought train of..

ok, this person has a live marker against my neck. he could pull his trigger (intentionally or not, in a volitile situation, this person could be shaking from being nervous and accidentally pull the trigger on their marker) and shoot me in the face, causing me posible loss of sight. he could also pull his trigger and hit me right in the windpipe/adams apple, causing me almost instant death...

you think of that, and you react. and let me tell you... when my safety and well being is in risk of being compromised, I do what i can, kicking and screaming to preserve my safety and well being.. and if it means desimating the person with the marker to my neck.. so be it.

i think many of you would react the same way if put in the same situation. (not the priors to the marker in the neck.. having the acutual marker in your neck. agian there are some of you that would have resolved the situation before it got that far... but im saying, had it not been resolved, and you had a marker to your neck)

so again, as i said in a previous post.. sure, this could have been sorted out other ways, but it wasnt.

wicked did what im sure he thought was in his best interest to protect himself from any type of un-necessary injury..


.joe.

[rathbaster]

[Recon by Fire]

Originally posted by Brak
dont listen to these "mature" people. they just call themselves mature when the real thing is that they dont GOT NO BALLS!! SUCKAS!!!

Spoken like a true punk kid of today's society. No balls? You may be surprised to find that many of us who do not condone the immature acts cited prior in this thread have been in situations that would make you pee your pants.

I completely agree with Raehl's post, neither of you would ever play at that field again, ever. The immaturity of these players is exactly what holds paintball back from being a premiere sporting event.

[gam-e]

thats rediculous no it isnt. you have your jack***s in every sport, not just jack***s but just losers

Deryl Strawberry - baseballs coke head extroadinarre
Barry Bonds - until recently was the jerk of baseball
John Mackinroe* - Tennis jerk to the max
Dennis Rodman - kicked a camera guy
i dont know the foot ball player....the one who killed someone in a hit and run
Michael Irvin - coke, possibly rape
Mike Tyson - Need i get into this RAPE CANNIBAL AHH!

There are wipers in paintball, as there are cheaters in every sport

and you are saying lets say if a kid playing high school football speared someone in the back after the play was over, that its his fault and others who do that if it doesn't become a pro sport....not likely sir.

just to clear maybe something up.

Dion

[wobbles82]

I agree with the majority you guys were outta line...well mostly on your friend lighting him up. You knocking him down when a barrel was on you was a good idea in my opinion, but after he shot you that should have been it. Anyway, I remember at practice last week PBMegastore and Axis had a game, and Megastore shot out a guy from Axis whom then wasnt walking back to the dead box because he was too busy yelling and whatnot. So the guy from Megastore shot about a hopper and a half at this guys nuts...literally. Lets just say a small fight broke out, everybody was friends in the end but nobody got kicked out surprisingly. I was kicked out of a field once because I was at Picasso Lake Paintball and lifted my mask up when the refs told me it was ok after a game (walking back to the main center). And the owner pulled me and said it was unorderly of me...the refs didnt back me up or nothing.

[raehl]

Bah...

It was his insistence on spending 3 pages justfying his behavior as ok that got the ton of brocks thrown on him.

As for him being "only 17", so? When I was 17, I dare say most of the other 17 year olds I knew were mature enough to not run around starting fights at the field, or escalating fights for that matter. This has nothing to do with being 17, it has to do with THIS particular person not being responsible. Are more 17 year olds irresponsible than 35 year olds? Sure. Are most 17 year olds irresponsible? Not really.

This guy caused a problem because he's a problem-causer, not because he's 17, and he even refuses to recognize that it IS his fault.

Quit making excuses for his poor behavior.

- Chris

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

"I'm immature and 17, so i'm allowed to do stupid things". I'll have to remember that. Try using that at your parole hearing. See how far it gets you.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by TheBigRaguPB4L
"I'm immature and 17, so i'm allowed to do stupid things". I'll have to remember that. Try using that at your parole hearing. See how far it gets you.

umm...nobody said that

he simply stated that 17 year olds are commonly quick to anger an immature. He did not condone it or use it as an excuse. Its true and you know its true.

Im not blaming my actions on being 17. But if I was 35 I probably wouldnt have reacted the same way.

Originally posted by raehl
[BThis guy caused a problem because he's a problem-causer, not because he's 17, and he even refuses to recognize that it IS his fault. [/B]

yea buddy you nailed it on the head. Im a problem causer. When watching games from the dead box one of my favorite things to do is shoot players that are still playing. And when they confront me, I enjoy sticking my barrel in their neck and threatening them.

^^^thats a problem causer


I know what I should have dont though. I should have let him keep his bushy barrel in my neck. I mean in a heated situation there is no way that his light, easily agitated bushy trigger, would fire. So next time someone has a barrel to my neck, I will just let him keep it there. Maybe that would be the mature thing to do.

So tell me what did I do that was SO wrong and SO immature? Maybe when he shot me I shouldnt have confronted him. Ya thats it, if i wouldnt have confronted the dead player he wouldnt have put the barrel to my neck, maybe then I wouldnt have had to knock him down.

Ya well maybe Im just a wierdo then because I would confront him. All of you other mature players would have just smiled at the dead player that shot you, and walked away. Its not like I could ignore him and keep playing, I had already put my hand in the air and started walking off the field. I wasnt about to re-inter the game, I hate it when people do that.


After I pushed him down and he shot me 5 or 6 times, I WAS over it. I wasnt going to pick up my gun and shoot him. I have been playing a lot of years and getting shot from 10 feet away, although not fun, is not the end of the world. It was the point blank shot to the throat that worried me.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by rathbaster
Wow, 4 pages.

I’ve thought about this post since I stumbled across this forum a day or so ago. I don’t have sage advice or lots of great wisdom, but I do have opinions.

(BTW: I’m a 35 year old, stock class rec ball player if that makes any difference.)

To answer the title of the post, no, I've never been thrown off a paint ball field. I agree, they should make a rule at your field that dead guys don't talk or shoot. (He should have had his barrel plug in anyway.)

To the opinion part:

Wicked: You were wrong. The other guy was wrong. You got thrown off the field. Learn from the mistake.

(Steps up onto soap box)

All you 19+ year old (Except the few who are offering real sage advice, you know who you are.) Calling a 17 year old immature is, well, kinda foolish. He’s 17 after all, that means he should be immature. Bringing up all kinds of “legal matters”, “think with the big head”-general preaching is counterproductive. He’s 17, he got in a fight (no I don’t condone that sort of behavior) and he got punished. Hopefully he’ll learn from his error. (Hopefully so to will the other guy.)

First of all, think back to your youth. When you were 17 how would you have reacted? How many people did you know who were 17 had “short tempers”? Likely, a lot if not all of them. 17 year old guys carry their anger closer to the surface, and they have no life experience to fall back on to give them guidance. What you take for “maturity” takes time to develop, we aren’t born with it. When I was 17 I might have reacted similarly, I don’t know. I know that even at 35 I still do the occasional stupid thing, make a poor judgement call or act immature for a moment.

Second of all, here’s a guy asking for your opinion, not a lecture. A few guys have given very good, fatherly advice. To you, I tip my hat. A lot of you guys are just coming down on him like a ton of bricks. You don’t like the way he behaves, but only offer a critique as if he is a fully mature adult with years of life experience. Obviously he has questions about what he did, otherwise he wouldn’t be posting on the incident. When I was 17, I don’t think I would have asked something like this in a public venue nor would I have had the patience to sit and respond in a (mostly) civil manner to some of the things that have been said here. When I was 17 I knew everything, no one older than me could tell me anything. I grew out of that and became “mature”. In other words I became an adult.

Thirdly: Where were the adults? I don’t mean just the refs, but the adult players? On the fields I frequent, no one under 18 is allowed an unsupervised game. Some fields let me and my friends self ref, but we’re older and established at the field (they know we’re not yahoos). Some fields allow no unsupervised games regardless of how well they know you. If any adult was present and allowed the disagreement to get that far, they are just as culpable because any adult present is by definition more mature and therefore is expected to provide guidance and good examples. Just because a teenager pursues sports doesn’t mean he should be left unsupervised.

(steps off soap box)

Wicked: I admire your tenacity in keeping on this board and enduring the slings and arrows of some of the guys posting. Play with honor and integrity.

now here is one of the few guys that have replied that actually makes sense.:)

[Trench_Riader]

Son, you are an idiot.

It's never a good idea to assault people. Assaulting total strangers is an EXTREMELY bad idea. YOu never know what you are getting into.

For example if you followed me out to the parking lot and attacked me this is what I would do. I would simply "turtle up" and attempt to minimise any damage you might do. I would not even attempt to fight back. (but see below) I would call out and make damn sure there were witnesses to the attack. Then when you got your fill, I would make record time calling the police and pressing assault charges. I would then laugh like a donkey while you were handcuffed and hauled away.

However if at any time the assault became more serious and it became a situation were "a resonable person would fear imanent death or serious injury" (the wording of my state's deadly force law) then I would shoot you. Now don't get me wrong, I don't play paintball packing real steel, but rest assured my carry piece is in the car. It's easier than you think to cross that line (just pick up a club or some other impact weapon) and I'm fortunate enough to live in a state that has both legal concealed carry and a very victim friendly set of self defence laws.

In short....stop and think before you act.

"Trench Raider"