anyone ever get kicked off a field too?

[Blazestorm]

/me claps for joey.

you said the same thing I said... but... like... it was a lot better english so it sounded mroe intelligent.

Joey, get in the chat or on AIM .... nnnnoooowww

[shartley]

Originally posted by Lohman446
"We Do not and Can Not ship airguns to New York City and surrounding areas, New Jersey, Michigan, Philadelphia PA or Chicago IL, so PLEASE don't ask, call, E-Mail or order AIRGUNS! We have no control over the laws in your state or city. So, please do not ask us to violate them. If you place an order it will be automatically canceled. Your credit card will not be billed and you will not receive product. All airgun orders will arrive ADULT SIGNATURE REQUIRED, we do not ship airguns to persons under the age of 18, NO EXCEPTIONS!"

This was a disclaimer from a sight selling a .40 caliper paintball gun AirGunStore.com. Now Im partially pleased with this because it leads me to beleive that Michigan is one of the few hold backs (I read the transcripts from the NJ case that legalized paintball on a challenge - they had been considered a firearm in NJ till then I think it was 1988) Now Im not pleased with this because it appears that Michigan is one of the few hold backs - whats up with that? As such I would hope that someone with some financial backing would take the time to try to resolve the Michigan law, to clearly exclude paintball markers as firearms? Tom, you there?

Originally posted by Lohman446
Here are the proper steps to legally purchase a paintball gun in MI - btw, if you follow these steps you have legally admitted that your paintball gun is a firearm, and thus are subject to assault and battery prosecution for using it. Not to mention a purchase permit to buy it, a safety inspection.... so, maybe I need a PO box in Montanna or something... On the plus side I can contact my state representitive, if he has time he might be able to help. At this point I am going to assume that common sense rules... and if this law is so limited, perhaps it can be changed.

I dont have the link to the website I got this off of, sorry about that.
Michigan residents, if you would like to purchase something other than a .177 caliber air rifle, we will ship it to you, however you will have to follow the steps below:

1. Inform our company of the item you want to purchase.
2. The item will be shipped to the designated dealer/retailer in your area. Your job is to find a participating dealer/retailer and let us know where to ship your gun.
3. Go to your local police department to obtain a Permit to Purchase the airgun. Each airgun purchase must have a separate Permit.
4. After the Permit is issued to you by the Police take it to the gun store where your gun will be shipped.
5. After the Permit is presented to the store and the fee is paid they will hand over the airgun to you.
6. Take the airgun back to the police department, where they will conduct a safety check and ballistics test.
After it is determined that the gun is safe and tests are conducted you will be ready to take the airgun home.

[Crighton]

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz



hahahahaha I got a good laugh there. My friend can beat up your friend. My big brother can beat up your big brother. LOL hahaha

Wasn't ment to be taken like that but. Hey your 17 nothing can harm you. At least until the real world slaps you in the face.

[penguinpunk555]

just pop 3 or 6 in the chest and keep playing

[Potatoboy]

Originally posted by Lohman446
Here are the proper steps to legally purchase a paintball gun in MI - btw, if you follow these steps you have legally admitted that your paintball gun is a firearm, and thus are subject to assault and battery prosecution for using it. Not to mention a purchase permit to buy it, a safety inspection.... so, maybe I need a PO box in Montanna or something... On the plus side I can contact my state representitive, if he has time he might be able to help. At this point I am going to assume that common sense rules... and if this law is so limited, perhaps it can be changed.

I dont have the link to the website I got this off of, sorry about that.
Michigan residents, if you would like to purchase something other than a .177 caliber air rifle, we will ship it to you, however you will have to follow the steps below: *snip*

As a Michigan resident for all of my life, and someone who's played paintball for years, and has worked in a paintball store for 6 months, I think i'm a reasonable authority to say that this is not true.

To the best of my knowledge this has never been true.

Handguns require the standard Federal Permits and procedures.

Rifles are still available. And anyone can buy a paintball marker. However most stores have a policy that you must be over the age of 18 to purchase a marker, as it saves calls from upset parents!

*added* If the paintball marger, or airsoft pistol for that matter is used in the act of commiting a crime, it is then considered a deadly weapon. So random paintball shootemups, can be prosecuted as assault with a deadly weapon, or assault to do great bodily harm.

[Duke Henry]

Geez, all the hating going on! Remember when you went to the field to have fun and play according to the rules?

If someone shoots me while I am playing and they are out, I call a ref. If no refs, I leave the field because this field should have refs to do the job that you pay them to do.

If I want to go somewhere to fight people, I will go a family reunion!

[dansim]

first i would have shot him then yelled at him for shooting me and if he stuck a gun barrel in my neck hes gonna need help of teh field cause i would destroy him and his gun

[Smitty2k1]

I actually think ya did the right thing man, maybe i wouldnt have punched him, but like taken his gun THEN punched him.

I dont want to have people think Im a hard-*** or anything but you cant be pushed around all the time, he shot him, they may have suspended him for a game or two, which is TOTAL BS.

Well I dont know where Im going with this, but the guy had it comin he really did.

EDIT:
On second thought, I wouldve knocked his gun to the ground, given him one good punch, and then put him in a head lock or something to keep him in control and wait for a ref... I think that wouldve been reasonable

[crankydan]

[xmetal2001]

I've kicked people like you off a field; but no, never been kicked off myself.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by crankydan
Wicked,

IM just wondering what the Refs were doing will this was taking place. If any of you guys have ever Reffed, you should know that this should had never gotten to this point. I Ref quit a bit, and when I’m on the field it is my responsibility to make sure things don’t go fubar. The guy that shot you should of been removed from the game, even if you did step out of bounds. If he didn’t like it then he would of been gone for the day. Our field clearly states in the wavier that "NO ONE ARGUES WITH A REF". Have I made bad calls, sure, do I take any crap from players, NEVER. I would have to blame the field owner and the Refs for not taking control of the field and situation.

uhh the place i was playing is understaffed and they only had to refs watching our prabably 30 on 30 game. The field had a bunch of buildings and you cant see acrosss the field. There was a ref kind of near us but he wasnt paying attention at first. that all happened really fast.

[Lohman446]

I would like to take a moment here to clarify - paintball markers have not been subject to the same laws as firerms in Michigan (thank god) - however, because MI firearm law uses compressed air as a system of propellant in their definition of a firearm, they do technically fall into the same category - this is not enforced to markers but, as scary as it is, could be.

Yes, to purchase a handgun (most paintball markers fall under MI definition of handgun if they are indeed a firearm) you have to have a purchase permit or a concealed carry permit. You then have to bring the gun in for a safety inspection (a joke what they do).

I would like to see the definition in MI clearer, to exclued paintball markers clearly. Just for the record, NJ had similar wording, and a paintball marker was considered a firearm, it ended up going to court and the judge there ruled that the marker was not a firearm...

I am not in favor of paintball markers being restricted, I am glad they are not. I am concerned that the law as it stands, could technically consider a paintball marker a firearm in MI - making a whole lot of us felons (got records of all the PB markers sold in your store that meet regulations, that minor playing with the pistol, the fact you are aiming and discharging a firearm at a person). This is really just a point I wanted to bring up - hoping that someone with more ability than I could address this situation.

We do have to figure out though if paintball markers are considered firearms by MI law - I think that technically they are and have just been overlooked. If they indeed are we need to, as a group, figure out how to get that law changed (laws that are overlooked should not be in the book). Perhaps the same wording as the Canadian provision that excluded paintball markers having to do with the force of impact...

Look for a different thread on this subject - I will start later tonight - I think this is an issue all of us PBers in Michigan need to address, before some idiot district attorney who does not understand that this is a game, applies the legal definition of firearm in MI to us.

[Lohman446]

I moved the discussion of legality under MI law to its own thread
Automags.Org Online Forums > Automag Owners Forums > Paintball Talk > Markers a firearm under Michigan law?

hmm... not a good link.. but there it is anyways - I think this is an important discussion to this sport, at least to those of us who play, or sell products into, Michigan.

[Shift]

hrmm

We should start a fight club... and i think that all the people complaining about the original dudes choices are either just extremly passive kids, or middle aged guys who think they are wise.

anyone here know of any good forum about favorite automag barrels/ paint matches???

[Jtpaintball17]

well here is my opinion on the matter

by the way im 15.. just to fill u guys (and girls) in.;l

both of you were wrong for your actions... but... if anyone and i mean ANYONE held and object to my throat... i dont care if he was holdin a pop-sicle stick to my throat i would have layed his "rear-end" out in a second... i do not take personal threats lightly at all. Now onto your buddy..well i cant understand y he did it... he just wasted 1/2 a hopper of paint on some punk who thought he was the ref of that situation. i honestly think u handled it quite well by only giving him a shove. but like many other people said.. take your elsewhere.. dont wreck it for the others. but overall i think u handled ur self well... when it comes to situations like that, i have an EXTREMELY SHORT FUSE.

lets put it this way "if you threaten me in a way like that... ur not gonna be goin home holdin ur gun... ur gonna be goin to the hospital while trying to hold your jaw in place. ( but then again maybe not..i heard prohbation sucks..and thats if i get lucky).........a paintball field is not a boxing ring.. but on the other hand a parking lot alwayz works as a make-shift ring...........


ALWAYZ REMEMBER.... THE DAY YOU STOP HAVING FUN PLAYING PAINTBALL.. IS THE DAY YOU SHOULD STOP PLAYING PAINTBALL.