Why did the ROF cap die?

[cledford]

Originally posted by GoatBoy

I seem to be the only one in favor of full auto.
Safety wise, I have been hurt far worse by rental tippmanns and spyders than any high ROF gun.

I almost never approve of ANY solution that involves attempting to control HUMAN BEHAVIOR by LIMITING TECHNOLOGY. It doesn't work. History seems to have solidly proven that this little philosophy fails, over and over.

I agree with the above. I've been against the full-auto ban since the beginning.

My worst hit EVER was from a rental Tippmann on C02 - hit landed right on midsection - caused a bruise (totally black) that ended up as big a small plate.

Can't help you with the speeding thing

-Calvin

[Torbo]

Re: Re: Food for thought

Originally posted by coolcatpete
I got overshot by a stock

class player the other day, this does not mean that his gun

was to fast(it was pump come on) it was that he chose to

shoot a few times after I had my hand up or I yelled I AM

OUT. so dont just go on about the markers it is the user.

Peter

thats right. if youre running through a lane that someone is hitting with 20 bps, most likely you will get hit between 2 and 5 times, depending in how fast you are. It the over shooting thats a problem. When people needlessly shoot more, thats the problem.

[raehl]

Ok, let me rephrase...

You *CAN* regulate the equipment, BUT...

Doing so is not worth it in the vast majority of cases where paintball markers are concerned because it's just way too complex of a process for the rules to be effectively enforced. Even if we had a good set of equipment rules for paintball, I doubt I could enforce them without a multimeter given markers of the day.

Unless we made everyone play stock. :)

And yeah, I remember that tournament.

Field Owner: "Chris, this guy says you called him for playing on and he wasn't."

Chris: "He had a hit on his glove between two fingers. He knew it was there, even if he doesn't like that I know he knew it was there."

What I don't get is most 13 year olds seem capable of standing up to a group of PO'd parents when reffing, say, a soccer match, yet for some reason most paintball refs are not.

- Chris

[titan aresta]

[raehl]

Exactly.

Except that the concern with people being able to shoot fast without any skill has nothing to do with the markers being used in a paintball game.


That said, it's obvious that you've never played X Ball, or if you did that you got hosed. You may not like that style of game, but you'll still lose if you don't know how to play. There's nothing wrong with a field being flat and symetrical; and "You always know where your opponents are" is just a convenient lie on your part. And coaching is DEFINITELY a skill - but you've probably either never seen or played X Ball, or at best just never seen good coaching (some of the NXL teams even lack it.)

- Chris

[DeeEight]

Stop the whining about getting hit with 20 balls and consider its a fact of life for the sport and if all the other people doing tournies now can take it, so can you. It'd have to be silly short range for all 20 balls to actually land on a person anyways. The guns aren't THAT accurate ya know !

Also do consider the fact that the companies selling the paint for the tournies make more money selling to people who dump 20bps than those doing 5bps. That's where the real money is for event organizers... the paint sales. When every player is likely to go through at least a case of paint each, in a day's competition (and with a lot of trigger happy players, a half case per game), that's a LOT of cash flow coming in during the event.

[DeeEight]

Re: Ok, let me rephrase...

Originally posted by raehl
What I don't get is most 13 year olds seem capable of standing up to a group of PO'd parents when reffing, say, a soccer match, yet for some reason most paintball refs are not.

- Chris

13 year olds generally don't ref soccer matches.

[shartley]

[DeeEight]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
suck it up and take the pain, i get hit multiple times all the time!

If you can't take the pain, where some hard shell armor/chain mail. At least the paint will break easier and your opponents (and refs) will enjoy not having to argue the point that they hit you.

Most tournies don't allow armor that reduces breakage (as in padded clothing) but armors that actually increases breakage (and also reduces your pain/injuries) are perfectly fine.

[sbpyro]

My problem is not with the rate of fire but with the attitude a lot of players have now. I have gotten surrenders playing with a pgp this includes players with Timmy, trix and angels. The skill part of my game is movement not the shooting. The constant cheating, overshooting, and general poor sportsmanship in rec fields are at a level that should not be tolerated. I played last weekend in a scenario game and I was out of air but still directing fire. Someone had a line on my bunker and opened fire on it. I got nailed about 2 dozen times (none broke). Now I didn't call myself out and he continued shooting that is the nature of the game. I was finally able to get out of the bunker and moved to another one to draw fire as a decoy and I had one shot catch me on the shoulder and I called myself out. The kid who had stitched me up and down came over to see if he had nailed me. I had 1 break on me and that was it, he was amazed that nothing else broke. I showed him that he had hit me (welts on the arm and ribs area) but the paint just bounced. This was not a case of overshooting, just the nature of the game. Then I've played games where people wipe, bunker ppl with 20 or so shots, blindfire and general bad sportsmanship.
A couple of years ago I thought the sport would really hit it big, the reason I was playing against some kids that were probably about 12 years old that could move and shoot with the best of them. Now I see a lot less ablitiy that is compensated by bad sportsmanship (not high ROF).
The fix here is not limiting rate of fire but toughen up the rules against bad sportsmanship. I would love to see someone pulled for unsportsmanlike conduct on a field.

[titan aresta]

Re: Exactly.

Originally posted by raehl

That said, it's obvious that you've never played X Ball, or if you did that you got hosed. You may not like that style of game, but you'll still lose if you don't know how to play. There's nothing wrong with a field being flat and symetrical; and "You always know where your opponents are" is just a convenient lie on your part. And coaching is DEFINITELY a skill - but you've probably either never seen or played X Ball, or at best just never seen good coaching (some of the NXL teams even lack it.)

- Chris

well, all i was saying is that given the curent push to make the game easier for the player, there is no reason why F/A would be not allowed "because it takes less skill".
Ofcourse it takes skill to play Xball, ofcourse there is a skill in good coaching, and if there is one thing that i'm sure of is that there is a whole ship load of people who can play paintball better than me.
Personaly i find it a lot harder to play woods ball than baloon ball.
If you put two equal in skill teams on an xball feild, one team with F/A and one without, do you honestly think that there really will be that much of a difference?
I don't know about you, but for me it really doesn't take that much skill to shoot an Angel at 13bps.

all that being said, i don't think that has too much to do with what this topic is about.
personaly I'm all for a limit on how much paint a player can take with them, but I just don't see that happening as long as paint companies are the main sponsors for major events.

[Torbo]

f/a has nothing to do with skill. The problem with f/a is that if the safety is off/innefective, and the trigger gets bumped or the marker gets dropped, its gonna keep fireing till it is let go of. That is simply dangerous.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Ineffective and unenforced rules are definatly more to blame for where paintball is now then increased ROF. The thread has taken a turn, but I like where its going. Keep it up.

[titan aresta]

that's why there should only be mechanical F/As with trigger guards and good barrel condoms.

[Dye Angel Guy]

Honestly though guy/gals a good player can kick some.... with a spyder so bps does not really matter in that sense. I do believe however that yes the 13bps rule showed more skill than pure firepower. Yeah I shoot a speed and yes it can shoot 31bps but do I ever shoot that fast, NO. I think like you guys do; If I am out there playing with a bunch of newbies there is no way I am going to just unload on them. After something like that I would think a newbie would just be like "this sucks" and quit playing. When playing tournments I am going to shoot like 18-20 bps just so I can keep up with the guys that think 20bps is needed to keep someone down. I had a friend of mine an engineer do some calulations and we concluded that no one can run through a string of 13bps so why do you need to shoot any faster if 13bps is all that is needed? Everything is pure image, if some one can shoot faster than you it makes them better right?