Why did the ROF cap die?

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420

um... LX? ACE? no breaks here buddy

and f/a in tourneys or even in rec ball??, hell no.

the people will just walk down the field like the british spraying their opponents with pod after pod of 20bps full auto... thats what will destroy paintball, no skill involved with f/a

I KNEW someone was going to mention the antichops.

Antichop mechanisms need to be properly tuned to work. Who's post-tournament report was it that mentioned something about "paint dripping from barrels"? Was it Muzikman's? And this came from a tournament? Anyways, guns have to be properly maintained to have this feature work. This includes the ACE and L10. And that's just the breech systems, without getting into malfunctioning HOPPERS. Given what I (and others) have seen on the field with malfunctioning "high performance" guns, it's safe to say that full auto's going to lead to breakage. Lots of breakage. And either lots of missing, or lots of time squeegying. Hrm, is that an actual verb?

You're somewhat correct about the skill factor, but in your own argument, you mentioned "pod after pod". Again, these pods don't magically appear out of nowhere. You got the walking part right. Most players can't seem to run properly with even a reasonable amount of paint strapped on them. Imagine these same players carrying enough paint to sustain their full auto habit.

Originally posted by DeeEight

Stop the whining about getting hit with 20 balls and consider its a fact of life for the sport and if all the other people doing tournies now can take it, so can you. It'd have to be silly short range for all 20 balls to actually land on a person anyways. The guns aren't THAT accurate ya know !

There are understood risks involved in any activity, even WALKING. When you walk onto the field, you expect that there is some chance that you'll get shot, or trip on something, or run into something, or any plethora of on-field hijinx.

But there are reasonable limits to everything. And I think this is the crux of the problem, as some have mentioned before. People have no $%Q@$# sensibility. The whole "tough guy" attitude is really irritating, if not conducive to stupid behavior. This is part of the reason why I support full-auto and believe that the problem will work itself out. Because some of you "tough guys" evidently only learn things the hard way. And if you don't learn, your exit from the sport will most likely be expedited.

There is damn near no reason why someone should be hit 20 times by the same person. The only reason I can accept getting hit 20 times is if I run into like 5 guys and they all pull 4 shots a piece or something.

And guns ARE that accurate. The skill of aiming seems to have been lost in the "accuracy by volume" age, but if you actually try aiming, you'll see that paintball guns are more than accurate enough for practical paintball ranges. Unless your gun is malfunctioning. Although "gun malfunction" is usually analogous to "user error"; blaming it on the gun just helps save face.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

tournies

Deeeight, if you and most tourny players are happy playing with cheating being acceptable and excessive overshooting being fine, that is your decision but considering that behaviour is outlined in the rules as cheating and should result in 1-for-1 2-for-1 and even 3-for-1 penalties, you need to just full-out pull the rules against it to at least make the calls consistent and eliminate some of the childish bickering you see in tournies, it makes the game look bad when that stuff is happening every game.

If AGD, WGP, and some of the other owners got together, maybe with collegiate leagues, to establish a new tournament series that is geared more towards fair play where strong rules enforcement (even through video replay) is used so that all the "badboys" will stay out of it and instead play in the NPPL and PSP, it could usher in a whole new generation of tournament players and probably motivate the migration of some of the more legit teams that either don't cheat or are bending some rules just so they have a chance. It will be a welcome idea but would take a little time to gain exposure and I think a hockey/xball style scoring in 5-man format would be more effective for monitoring penalties. For example, you wipe, you get pulled and sit the whole next point and the team plays one short. Two members of each team can be off the field, videotaping, and if they get solid proof the other team cheated they can show the refs and get a penalty assessed that affects the next game or games. It would not require insane monitoring and does not force the refs to make calls on hearsay.

Just my thoughts, but people are beginning to leave the game because they're sick of it getting so childish and violent. That is not good if we want it to grow.

[LudavicoSoldier]

And whats worse, quite a few refs around here (not naming fields or names) are the worst offenders when it comes to bad behavior when they are playing.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

store

I can think of two leagues up here, and at least one is so biased to the organizers' friends and teams and such a ripoff that I refuse to play in it. It is run by a store whose refs have openly admitted to me how much they cheat (and they play for the store's team), how they act on and off the field, and it's disgusting. I will not name the store as alot of it I have not witnessed with my own eyes, but I hear the same for the other major store here and both overcharge bigtime. Both are run by people who just want to get as much of your money as they can, they don't care about anyone besides themselves and their teams and will do whatever it takes on and off the field to get their way whether it's right or wrong. We need a new store and field around here, but if one tried, I wouldn't be surprised if these two did everything they could to push the new one right out of business using their influence on the paintball scene and whatever ethical or unethical methods they can think of.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Yeah, those two stores you speak of (if im right) are the epitome of the "tough guy" paintballer. I actually walked into one of the places this weekend and asked if they carried mags (or mag parts) anymore, and the kid working the counter laughed at me. I guess if its not the newest electro, these fools dont want to hear about it. I remember when paintball was CIVIL and it was a rarity to have a player or ref behave poorly. Now that apparently times have changed, we have to be picky about who we play with and when/where we play.

BTW, where do you AO-MA guys usually play? I tend to frequent Global or Camp Paintball.

[raehl]

Re: Re: Ok, let me rephrase...

Originally posted by DeeEight


13 year olds generally don't ref soccer matches.

They absolutely most certainly do. Most soccer matches of the 5->10 year old variety are reffed by 13->16 year olds, at least where I'm from.

- Chris

[raehl]

Originally posted by DeeEight
Most tournies don't allow armor that reduces breakage (as in padded clothing) but armors that actually increases breakage (and also reduces your pain/injuries) are perfectly fine.

Read tournament rules. Rules say nothing about armor that increases breakage being ok - they say you're allowed two layers of clothing, and nothing of a padded nature.

- Chris

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

armor

The armor thing was moronic anyways, it was Deeeight's way of saying we can't stand being bunkered. I can deal with being bunkered, and would do it myself, but there is something seriously wrong if it takes 12 balls to get the job done or going up behind someone and intentionally putting it an inch from the bare skin of the neck, shooting a couple rounds into it, and saying "sucka" cause you think you're so cool that you inflicted such pain on a guy getting him out when you could have more easily popped him in the back, he would have felt it. That is the equivalent of an unneccessary roughness call in football and should be penalized just the same. A football player just recently got in trouble for choking a player intentionally when he was down. The same should apply in paintball.

And to respond to some of Dee's other remarks:

So you think short range it's LESS likely more will actually hit? Try again. It would be more likely and at faster speeds at the time of impact. Long range it would be less likely.

Paintball guns aren't that accurate? From 10-20 ft away if you are unable to hit 90-95% of the time on a target the size of a human, you need to learn how to aim, and in a bunker move you're closer than that.

And again, the issue is really no longer ROF, it has evolved to how it should be safely and properly regulated on the field. Fields have no problem with kids bunkering with 20 balls a time if it's more money in their pocket. Doesn't make it right.

[hardr0ck68]

whoo i dident read many of these....but i have the answer

ROF caps died because

My Penis is bigger than yours

or so i like to think when fan/walk/jerk off my trigger in the chrono area.

As for the cap, its BS to say "oh the game is more fun without it" oh no its not, its more expensive, more abusive, more hostile...but fun? oh i think not

if you cant hit it with 12 BSP (if you can reach 12) then you CANT HIT IT time to move your lazy arse.

yeah lets put any bunch of idiots on the feild with markers that shoot themselves and watch proability, isnt that exciting? No one can make a move, because any open space is filled with a rope of paint, and any dam 8 year old can bounce his trigger at 18 bps (like its impossiable, or even hard to change debounce settings in the start box ) yeah thats a sport for TV

[hardr0ck68]

i just read ADG's post, and i agree with what he said, and believe it will be what our sport comes to. On the same note im bummed out, because right now i have an electro trigger set up feather light and way short, is it safe? no i set the dam thing off all the time. But i do it to keep up....

but the argument that ADG made about being addicted goes for cheating as well, its the reality of the pro leagues, the reality of tourny winnning teams, and another skill you learn if thats who/where you wanna be. I have cheated before, i cant anymore because my team is aginst it (if my team doesnt then i wont...i dont want to compermise their morals, mine are my decision) and i have done it because i KNOW its happening aginst me.

cheating wont stop
ROF wont stop
and the "sport" (like herion) will never again give you that feeling you had when you first tried it.....

[Crazy]

quit being a baby or go home...

[Beemer]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
I have cheated before, i cant anymore because my team is aginst it (if my team doesnt then i wont...i dont want to compermise their morals, mine are my decision) and i have done it because i KNOW its happening aginst me.



Thats fuzzy logic.......We knew we were getting cheated against all the time. That didnt make it right for us to do it. Sure we lost a lot but we won to, but we still had our Pride intact. We pissed off a lot of teams thought they would walk over us till they saw a wall of paint comming at em. When they figured out they wouldnt beat us by cheating and had to play we eather beat em or the clock ran out.


Did we beat the cheaters? yes. Did we lose more then win?yes
But we sure had fun messing em up. Knocked a few of the pros out of the semis and finals


The guns and game have changed from 15 yrs ago but the players havent.Whos fault is that. Still got the same problems we had then. No sportsmanship no class no integrity no pride,bla bla bla

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

baby

Cryer, not sure who your remark was directed at, so I will simply comment that my idea of a baby is someone who can't follow rules and feels he's better than everyone else, throws temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way, gets insulted at the littlest thing (someone fairly bunkering him), can't behave themselves and gets into fights, and has to rip into everybody to seem like a big man. That right there defines the average tourney player.

[Crazy]

how about this... don't cry when you get bonus balled, because most of them are for a reason.