nppl cap rule?

[Beemer]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast

What's so stupid about rof caps? And I'm talking about caps lower than ANSI/ASTM. Just meeting and enforcing those shouldn't even be open to discussion. But what are the ANSI/ASTM caps?

[Gadget]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
Things shouldnt be changed. Paintball is PERFECT the way it is.

....there are two types of paintball. A slower paced, time concuming game, and a fast paced super electro type. Wanna know what they are? Rec and Speedball.

It's this kind of attitude which causes problems within the sport. Saying that the game is 'perfect' on the back of (I'm guessing at most) a couple of years playing is a bit presumptuous.

Paintball is a sport which is still evolving - just because manic in-your-face play is in vogue at the moment doesn't mean that's where the sport is going to stay.

Personally I think the game needs to step back a bit - by no means go all the way back to 30 minute games in the woodland, but maybe take the pace down a peg.

The game is so fast at the moment that refs have trouble making calls, playing-on is seen as part of the game and the arms race just keeps on going.

Limiting ROF or paint consumption per game would be one way of keeping things vaguely sane.

[845]

And lets limit all *race* cars to 55 mph while we're at it.



edit**for clarity

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by 845
And lets limit all cars to 55 mph while we're at it.

First off that's out of left field. If your gonna make a comparison at least make it similar. Saying stuff like that doesn't help your case. I for one think they should either cap the BPS &/or limit the # of paint on the field (not as low as the PanAm though).

[Brophog]

Originally posted by 845
And lets limit all cars to 55 mph while we're at it.

Your disproving your own point. We do limit cars to 55, where appropriate.

We also limit them to other speeds when appropriate.

No one is talking about taking away your little toys, just capping them to reasonable speeds. You'll still be able to lane, provide cover fire, and snapshoot. It will just be more reasonable.

A cap of 14 bps will not change how the game is played. If you go through 10 pods now, you'll go through 10 pods with the cap as well. I guarantee you, your not sustaining more than 14 bps on a regular basis anyhow. In spurts yes, but in streams, such as what a back man would shoot, no.

[shartley]

Originally posted by 845
And lets limit all cars to 55 mph while we're at it.

[845]

So now all cars can go the same speed in Nascar? Its purely skill of the driver.

[RoadDawg]

All the cars weigh the same, go the same speed it's just about getting the drag off of another car and getting the turns down just right so gravity helps shoot ya around the corners. I'm not a Nascar fan so if I'm wrong I'll step down.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Beemer
semi-automatic mode marker—a semi-automatic
marker discharges one time with each trigger cycle. Markers that “store” the number of trigger pulls and discharge more than one paintball at some point do not meet this definition.

Did anyone else notice this? By these standards any marker with shot buffering is not semi-auto.

[fallout11]

Originally posted by hitech


Did anyone else notice this? By these standards any marker with shot buffering is not semi-auto.

This is absolutely correct, and I brought this up during the "full auto" discussion.
Guns that buffer shots are not semi-automatic.
Not according to the standards.
And not according to reality.

Stored "shots" in a memory buffer is just that, a queue of yet unfired but yet soon to be 'automatically' (and without any human control) fired shots.
That's actually worse than full auto, in my book, since once input, there is no longer any human control on the firing mechanism. With full auto, you can always take your finger off the trigger.....

This is the same kind of stored energy safety regulations warn of when locking out equipment for working.

[fallout11]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
All the cars weigh the same, go the same speed it's just about getting the drag off of another car and getting the turns down just right so gravity helps shoot ya around the corners. I'm not a Nascar fan so if I'm wrong I'll step down.

Pretty much right. NASCAR uses spoiler surface area and angles, restrictor plates, weight limitations, the type of tires used, the amount of gas the car can carry, and the like to "equalize" all makes and types of cars, and to restrict their overal top speed and ability to accelerate.
Thus, in a sense, only the skill of the driver and luck matter.
And they tweak the rules every year to keep it that way, and make the races "more exciting".
Nascar has gained viewers, fans, and advertising dollars since they started doing this, too.
Plus, they enforce it with an iron hand. Even inspect, weigh, and measure the cars before and after every race.

In paintball, restricting rates of fire and amount of ammo carried by each team would be identical, or even more leniant.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by fallout11


This is absolutely correct, and I brought this up during the "full auto" discussion.
Guns that buffer shots are not semi-automatic.
Not according to the standards.
And not according to reality.

Stored "shots" in a memory buffer is just that, a queue of yet unfired but yet soon to be 'automatically' (and without any human control) fired shots.
That's actually worse than full auto, in my book, since once input, there is no longer any human control on the firing mechanism. With full auto, you can always take your finger off the trigger.....

This is the same kind of stored energy safety regulations warn of when locking out equipment for working.

That's not entirely accurate.All shot buffering does is allow you to fire as fast as you actaully pulled the trigger and still maintain a ROF cap on the gun.If you had an uncapped board and no buffer,your ROF would still be the same.

[fallout11]

No, if I pull the trigger a ka-jillion times and then drop the gun, it keeps firing even though it's not even in my hand. Now, granted, this is an exaggeration, to be sure.

Point is, when using a buffered shot gun, let's say I hit the opponent with the first ball, but have already pulled the trigger 10 times.
Guess what?
Even though I've quite pulling the trigger after seeing I hit him, he still gets shot 10 more times.
Shot buffering is basically "burst mode", under a different name.

That's why they break the rules/standards.

But you're right, if I had an uncapped board and no buffer, I can only fire as fast as I can pull the trigger.

[RRfireblade]

Well that's an extreme version of buffering not used by any manufacturer that I'm aware of.AGD and all others I'm aware of only buffer one shot if the marker is in the process of firing while you pulled the trigger.Extremely low bounce settings are far worse in my opinion and has become the standard in the industry.It should be unlawfull and prosecutable to manufacture and release a marker capable of adjusting a perameter beyond a certain point.

[fallout11]

Agreed, RRfireblade.
I admit I exaggerated to illustrate a point.

But the low bounce settings and new jittery electronic triggers are getting ridiculous.

An example:
A friend was showing off his new Intimidator recently.
I asked to hold it, and made nice comments about it.
I gave it back to him, and he set it back down on the table.
It fired.
Yep.
On it's own.
Just by being set down on a table.
Like some cheap imported pistol.

That's why barrel condoms/plugs are a MUST in goggles off areas.
And also why I think some of the new crop of electros are the most dangerous things I've seen on the field in recent years.