We are getting screwed.

[MagAl]

Where's the Smart-parts office... and how do you go about making plastic explosives...?

I have an idea... I'm not saying it's legal... but it's good stuff...

Operation Mayhem

[WenULiVeUdiE]

My question is, can they stay away from the tourny scene? With the hAir coming out, how hard will it be from AGD to stay away? When that comes out it will probably be all AGD is focused on for a month or so. And it would probably go over better with tourny players, or at least tourny players would seem to need it more. I'm not saying scenario players dont need it( I play 'em and I need it) But they could probably sell more to a market of tourny players than scenario players. Then again I see more people with mags at scenario than I do at tourny's. I'm having an arguement with myself, I think I'm going insane.

Anyone get what I'm saying?

[GT]

I dont think the problem is with thier guns, its their service. If you are going to offer a product to take the market by storm you dam well better have it in stock! E/x's are more than capable for tourney play. I do think the majority of E/X owners do not know how to adjust thier triggers.

BTW I played x ball just fine with my ult classic, the emag sat in the truck both days.

gt

[AGDlover]

6th- Speedball, although fun, isn't for everyone. A HUGE part of the market plays rec ball (woodsball) AGD has realized this, and is giving Tippman a run.

do you have any idea how low end you made AGD sound


ok you know what guys i can honnestly say that from AGD movement twards woods/snecerio i honestly thing AGD are being woosys and won't accecpt the fact that woods ain't all as great as TK is trying to say it is. and his post bout him trying to get the mag name out of the turny sheen i say push into the tuny and blow everyone away make them stop saying "mags are for ***s" god TK doin **** like this makes me want to dump my mag for a cocker. maby if you watch BO every now and then to see how he does it then maby you could learn something

[Fred]

Havn't you heard?

Mechanical is the new Electro... its all the rage...

and play a big "G.I. Joe" game, you might be suprised how fun they are.

---Fred

[craltal]

Why the tantrums? They made a business decision. It was in their best interest to back away from SP and let all of that crap settle out. They decided they'd rather spend their money on R&D than legal defense.

If you need to rely on an e-frame in order to be able to play, I feel really sorry for you. It only takes 1 ball to eliminate someone.

[cphilip]

Fact is a ton more people play scenario than speed ball. And no one is marketing to them. Its wide open. And so its a money decision. Easy one to make.

And I seen plenty of RT Pro's kick arse in speedball. Its all we using now. Light fast and dependable. You will maybe be outplayed but not outgunned. Like always.... learn the game and quit blaming the marker. Chump!

[team unwanted]

Why the tantrums? They made a business decision. It was in their best interest to back away from SP and let all of that crap settle out. They decided they'd rather spend their money on R&D than legal defense.

If you need to rely on an e-frame in order to be able to play, I feel really sorry for you. It only takes 1 ball to eliminate someone.

i do belive that guy is right

[Cool fool!]

the hair trigger will put agd in the tourney scene for a while i think...
i will definetely be playin tourney ball with the hair when it comes out!

[peewee]

AGD's official stance is that its out of the tourny scene , but your crazy if you think that the mag faithful wont be showing up with hair triggers at every tourny that they can. Last night I watched a guy with an RT ULE that ruled over DM4's, cockers and trixies. Standing on the sideline I couldnt tell that "Dogma" from ace's wild was at any type of disadvantage.

[eNder159]

Listen up guys. I love my as much as the next guy, but we have to realize that the direction AGD is taking with thier markers is disturbing. First the Xmag and Emag go, then the TAC ONE is introduced, then a sydarm...why? I bought a mag because I was tired of playing GI Joe in the woods. Now it seems that we are stuck playing with mechanicals. And the deadly wind frame may be fast, but still mech, so forget great features like adjustability. Whats going on? Is AGD dropping speedball in favor of childish army man games?

all i can say in response to this statement is this

Tom Kaye > tzustratagy

he's smarter than you ...smarter than about 99% of the people on this forum put together...

so with that said...im pretty sure he knows how to run his own company. and if your complaining about mechanical go buy a hype gun and move to pbnation...

[lawman1380]

all i can say in response to this statement is this

Tom Kaye > tzustratagy

he's smarter than you ...smarter than about 99% of the people on this forum put together...

so with that said...im pretty sure he knows how to run his own company. and if your complaining about mechanical go buy a hype gun and move to pbnation...

The 1% must have been the guy who created the hair trigger.

[TeamNausea]

5th- Scenario is the "up and coming" part of the game known as paintball. I've been interested in this part of it but haven't gotten around to joining one yet.

I do agree that there are a lot maybe most of paintball players exclusivley scenario/woodsball but i dont think when its all said and done it will be even close to the speedball scene since thats whats going to be easier to sell to the public for many reasons.

[paullus99]

Reasons Woodsball/Scenarioball will always be a larger segment of the paintball market -

1) More people can play on a woodsball field than a speedball field.

2) There are a lot of players out there limited to a case of paint or less per day of playing - making speedball cost prohibitive.

3) New players cycling into the sport start with woodsball (for the most part).

4) Inexperienced/new players can't compete with the 15bps electros on speedball courses, get bonus-balled, etc. & get a bad taste in their mouth afterwards.

5) Scenario games are inherently more interesting & social than 10 min speedball games.

6) Large groups (church groups, schools, etc) are better accomodated by woodsfields - & the fun of playing "war" just like when they were young kids.

That's just what I came up with off the top of my head. Think of paintball as a pyramid - with newbies at the bottom & pro-tourney players at the top. As you progess up the sport, there are fewer and fewer people involved at each level (fewer tourney spots, limited # of teams, etc), so AGD's decision to market to the bottom half of the pyramid (representing probably 40 - 50% of the total sport) is a great idea. You market to where the money is - and with all of the high-end electro competition fighting for the other 30% of the market, it leave the door wide open for AGD to step in, compete head-to-head with Tippman & make a heck of a lot more money.

[Miscue]

AGD has, for the most part, given up on the Tournament scene for now. TK wants to see what happens with the Smart Parts issue before they go on. I don't know what the update is but I know they were working on a new design being released on late 2005 or early 2006. The new design would be an electric marker much like the X-Mag, but better. Or something. I dunno.

But AGD is still working on the E-Mag and X-Mag software and that, more or less, controls how fast the marker shoots. Both markers are more than capable of very high ROF but because of the software they're capped.

AGD is not still working on the E-Mag and X-Mag software. The cap for 3.2 is peachy-keen.